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Title: Speaker cables
Post by: ozcal on January 22, 2011, 09:23:18 PM
Hi guys , making some speaker cables from some Solen solid core varnished copper inductor cable of 1mm cross section.These are to go between my Rotel Rb1080 and the Gales401a's.
How many stands per conductor? and should the live and return have the same number of strands?
Gordon
Title: Re: Speaker cables
Post by: kajak12 on January 22, 2011, 10:44:03 PM
Hi guys , making some speaker cables from some Solen solid core varnished copper inductor cable of 1mm cross section.These are to go between my Rotel Rb1080 and the Gales401a's.
How many stands per conductor? and should the live and return have the same number of strands?
Gordon
try 1 for each polarity to begin with (give it time to burn in :P)
Title: Re: Speaker cables
Post by: ozcal on January 23, 2011, 06:49:27 PM
Cheers Mario.
Title: Re: Speaker cables
Post by: flemo on February 01, 2011, 12:42:18 AM
Hi Gordon,

Let me know how they sound as I too are looking at different cables for my Gales. 

I had to remove the Ribbontec cables as they added too much weight to the heavy sounding Gales. Currently I'm using the Bunnings 0.8mm solid core copper wire and it seems to be a big improvement. 

Pete.
Title: Re: Speaker cables
Post by: ozcal on February 01, 2011, 08:51:19 PM
Hi Pete , the cables have been running in since the weekend but you have to bear in mind that I have changed both the dac output caps and the Auricaps in the Supratek to Ampohms as well.
Initially the sound was more detailed but etched ,as time goes on the sound is balancing out and is starting to sound , well ..... hairs on the back of the neck tingling :)
Title: Re: Speaker cables
Post by: Drew on February 05, 2011, 10:13:10 AM
Hi Pete , the cables have been running in since the weekend but you have to bear in mind that I have changed both the dac output caps and the Auricaps in the Supratek to Ampohms as well.
Initially the sound was more detailed but etched ,as time goes on the sound is balancing out and is starting to sound , well ..... hairs on the back of the neck tingling :)

Hi Oz,

What otput caps did you put in??  Ampohms copper foils?

Interested how they sound when they are fully run in...
Title: Re: Speaker cables
Post by: ozcal on February 28, 2011, 08:06:05 PM
Hi Drew , sorry missed your post.
The AMPOHMS that went into the STEK  were copper in oil and the dac ones were Aluminium in oil.
With the addition  of the 2 new sets of caps the best way to describe the sound would be more natural.I get a greater sense of being at the recording , less in the way of the sound.
I still have to get two other 0.1uf Ampohms for the pre and try a Jensen elctrolytic in place of the current Elna
The dac is in bits at the moment as I move it to a bigger case as the 2.2uf Ampohms wouldn't fit inside the old case.
Title: Re: Speaker cables
Post by: kajak12 on March 01, 2011, 12:00:15 AM

The dac is in bits at the moment as I move it to a bigger case as the 2.2uf Ampohms wouldn't fit inside the old case.
heaps of room on the outside ozcal  no need for a bigger case i dont have any problems with space  ;)
Title: Re: Speaker cables
Post by: ozcal on March 01, 2011, 07:29:41 PM
Mario , you know us Glaswegians , we like our hi-fi's great sounding and neat , just look at the Linn stuff  ;D
Title: Re: Speaker cables
Post by: crazikid on March 01, 2011, 07:35:04 PM
ha.. i lived in glasgow for a couple of years. fun times, sh!t weather
Title: Re: Speaker cables
Post by: data on February 06, 2012, 12:50:50 AM
Just thought I would put this in here  :D

I have been using solid core copper of 1mm for speaker cables, one run for each terminal, but just made some out of alarm wire, three paired runs two for negative and one for positive, with one of the negatives floating at the speaker end, these are in a pony-tail plait.

I think they are better!

Have to listen in the day when I can give it some volume but I think this type of construction may be better for me.
Title: Re: Speaker cables
Post by: ozcal on February 06, 2012, 03:27:43 PM
Interesting Ian.
Is Alarm wire simmilar to cat 5/6?
Title: Re: Speaker cables
Post by: data on February 06, 2012, 04:20:43 PM
Well, I think there are different types, this is just a very normal type of two runs of stranded (quite small in diameter) side by side, like lamp wire, but smaller gauge.

I think the 1mm solid core was attenuating high frequencies a bit, and this could explain some of the difference.

The sound is just more alive in comparison, maybe more finer detail (micro).

This is like this Bell wire on jaycar's site http://www.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=WB1700&keywords=alarm+wire&form=KEYWORD I bought it from an electronics supply place, and they called it alarm wire, but there is a type like cat cable.

So with each pair I twisted the stripped ends together to get the needed diameter.
Title: Re: Speaker cables
Post by: vitavoxdude on February 06, 2012, 04:34:12 PM
Interesting Ian.
Is Alarm wire simmilar to cat 5/6?
Cat 5 cable can sound reasonable but compared to dedicated PCocc ir Ag ribbon cables, hmmmm, not in the same leauge IMV.  :-X :-X :-X V
Title: Re: Speaker cables
Post by: data on February 06, 2012, 05:03:11 PM
Yeah, I have tried the braided cat a while back and moved on.

In fact I used to use cat as hook-up wire, but prefer the Neotech copper these days.
Title: Re: Speaker cables
Post by: vitavoxdude on February 06, 2012, 10:48:03 PM
Yeah, I have tried the braided cat a while back and moved on.

In fact I used to use cat as hook-up wire, but prefer the Neotech copper these days.
Neotech copper  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D yeah, a considerable improvement on cat 5 plated stuff.
V
Title: Re: Speaker cables
Post by: ozcal on February 06, 2012, 11:01:40 PM
Ian , where do you get the neotech wire from?
Title: Re: Speaker cables
Post by: data on February 06, 2012, 11:56:55 PM
I get it from an ebay seller, he has even recently joined SNA, nice fellow that loves his tubes and owns one of Eric's amps.

I like this for hook-up and maybe ICs http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Neotech-UPOCC-Solid-Core-7N-Copper-24AWG-Blue-Teflon-/220867876913?pt=AU_Electronics_Accessories_Wires_Cables&hash=item336cc05831

And this might be good for speaker wire http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Neotech-UPOCC-Solid-Core-7N-Copper-20AWG-BLACK-Teflon-/220933770433?pt=AU_Electronics_Accessories_Wires_Cables&hash=item3370adccc1

He also carries a pure silver, but I don't want to offend Mario by linking that   :P

Just be careful not to mark the wire when cutting the Teflon insulator, as it can lead to the a brake in the wire.
Title: Re: Speaker cables
Post by: kajak12 on February 07, 2012, 01:52:00 AM
I get it from an ebay seller, he has even recently joined SNA, nice fellow that loves his tubes and owns one of Eric's amps.

I like this for hook-up and maybe ICs http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Neotech-UPOCC-Solid-Core-7N-Copper-24AWG-Blue-Teflon-/220867876913?pt=AU_Electronics_Accessories_Wires_Cables&hash=item336cc05831

And this might be good for speaker wire http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Neotech-UPOCC-Solid-Core-7N-Copper-20AWG-BLACK-Teflon-/220933770433?pt=AU_Electronics_Accessories_Wires_Cables&hash=item3370adccc1

He also carries a pure silver, but I don't want to offend Mario by linking that   :P

Just be careful not to mark the wire when cutting the Teflon insulator, as it can lead to the a brake in the wire.
Data i have heaps of silver wire would you like some? :D :D :D
Title: Re: Speaker cables
Post by: data on February 07, 2012, 07:44:51 AM
Melt it down!

Make Jewelry... or Bullets  :D
Title: Re: Speaker cables
Post by: kajak12 on February 08, 2012, 01:05:29 AM
I get it from an ebay seller, he has even recently joined SNA, nice fellow that loves his tubes and owns one of Eric's amps.

I like this for hook-up and maybe ICs http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Neotech-UPOCC-Solid-Core-7N-Copper-24AWG-Blue-Teflon-/220867876913?pt=AU_Electronics_Accessories_Wires_Cables&hash=item336cc05831

And this might be good for speaker wire http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Neotech-UPOCC-Solid-Core-7N-Copper-20AWG-BLACK-Teflon-/220933770433?pt=AU_Electronics_Accessories_Wires_Cables&hash=item3370adccc1

He also carries a pure silver, but I don't want to offend Mario by linking that   :P

Just be careful not to mark the wire when cutting the Teflon insulator, as it can lead to the a brake in the wire.
ordered 24awg 2 meters
data your a bad man showing me this i have a weakness for wire the worst thing is you know i do and take advantage
Title: Re: Speaker cables
Post by: data on February 08, 2012, 01:52:03 AM
Mario, with yourself it was like shooting fish in a barrel   :D
Title: Re: Speaker cables
Post by: Jehuty on February 09, 2012, 01:28:35 AM
I get it from an ebay seller, he has even recently joined SNA, nice fellow that loves his tubes and owns one of Eric's amps.

I like this for hook-up and maybe ICs http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Neotech-UPOCC-Solid-Core-7N-Copper-24AWG-Blue-Teflon-/220867876913?pt=AU_Electronics_Accessories_Wires_Cables&hash=item336cc05831

And this might be good for speaker wire http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Neotech-UPOCC-Solid-Core-7N-Copper-20AWG-BLACK-Teflon-/220933770433?pt=AU_Electronics_Accessories_Wires_Cables&hash=item3370adccc1

He also carries a pure silver, but I don't want to offend Mario by linking that   :P

Just be careful not to mark the wire when cutting the Teflon insulator, as it can lead to the a brake in the wire.
ordered 24awg 2 meters
data your a bad man showing me this i have a weakness for wire the worst thing is you know i do and take advantage

I might get some for my amp too, I hate stripping cat 5 cables, takes a lot of time and gotta be very careful not to scratch the copper inside.
Title: Re: Speaker cables
Post by: zenelectro on February 09, 2012, 02:04:55 AM
Mario, with yourself it was like shooting fish in a barrel   :D

Or fishing with dynamite :) :)
Title: Re: Speaker cables
Post by: zenelectro on February 09, 2012, 02:10:55 AM
I get it from an ebay seller, he has even recently joined SNA, nice fellow that loves his tubes and owns one of Eric's amps.

I like this for hook-up and maybe ICs http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Neotech-UPOCC-Solid-Core-7N-Copper-24AWG-Blue-Teflon-/220867876913?pt=AU_Electronics_Accessories_Wires_Cables&hash=item336cc05831

And this might be good for speaker wire http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Neotech-UPOCC-Solid-Core-7N-Copper-20AWG-BLACK-Teflon-/220933770433?pt=AU_Electronics_Accessories_Wires_Cables&hash=item3370adccc1

He also carries a pure silver, but I don't want to offend Mario by linking that   :P

Just be careful not to mark the wire when cutting the Teflon insulator, as it can lead to the a brake in the wire.
ordered 24awg 2 meters
data your a bad man showing me this i have a weakness for wire the worst thing is you know i do and take advantage

I might get some for my amp too, I hate stripping cat 5 cables, takes a lot of time and gotta be very careful not to scratch the copper inside.

2 things WRT Cat 5 (6)

a) a pig to strip nicely - better to just use PTFE sleeving b) I don't like to straighten the /\/\/\/\ out c) breaks easy

Thats 3 things 



Title: Re: Speaker cables
Post by: vitavoxdude on February 09, 2012, 03:26:19 AM
So 3 things and my 2 pence worth it sounds sh!t against a proper cable designed for audio as opposed to networking being plated copper and not very pure. You try listening to it as interconnects and see how you go.

OK I am ducking.  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
V
Title: Re: Speaker cables
Post by: data on February 09, 2012, 03:47:52 AM
With this stuff, I found that the copper slides through the Teflon dielectric easily, so if you strip just a tiny bit of Teflon off, you can pull the copper through a bit then at the other end cut off the Teflon to size so that it exposes enough copper at either end when you slide the copper back.

That way you don't risk scoring the copper and risk a brake later.

If that makes sense.
Title: Re: Speaker cables
Post by: Jehuty on February 09, 2012, 04:18:41 AM
I get it from an ebay seller, he has even recently joined SNA, nice fellow that loves his tubes and owns one of Eric's amps.

I like this for hook-up and maybe ICs http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Neotech-UPOCC-Solid-Core-7N-Copper-24AWG-Blue-Teflon-/220867876913?pt=AU_Electronics_Accessories_Wires_Cables&hash=item336cc05831

And this might be good for speaker wire http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Neotech-UPOCC-Solid-Core-7N-Copper-20AWG-BLACK-Teflon-/220933770433?pt=AU_Electronics_Accessories_Wires_Cables&hash=item3370adccc1

He also carries a pure silver, but I don't want to offend Mario by linking that   :P

Just be careful not to mark the wire when cutting the Teflon insulator, as it can lead to the a brake in the wire.
ordered 24awg 2 meters
data your a bad man showing me this i have a weakness for wire the worst thing is you know i do and take advantage

I might get some for my amp too, I hate stripping cat 5 cables, takes a lot of time and gotta be very careful not to scratch the copper inside.

2 things WRT Cat 5 (6)

a) a pig to strip nicely - better to just use PTFE sleeving b) I don't like to straighten the /\/\/\/\ out c) breaks easy

Thats 3 things  

Completely agree Terry, that's why I need that Neotech wires.

So 3 things and my 2 pence worth it sounds sh!t against a proper cable designed for audio as opposed to networking being plated copper and not very pure. You try listening to it as interconnects and see how you go.

OK I am ducking.  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
V

V, I agree that a proper cable designed for audio is the way to go but this sort of cable usually goes for a lot of money.

Two days ago I just listened to Merlin Dragon power cable (http://www.merlincables.com/index.php?app=gbu0&ns=prodshow&ref=dragonmains) and it was compared to Cat 5 based DIY power cables with hi quality Furutech plugs (total cost around $300). Was the Merlin better? Yes. Five times better? Definitely no, in fact it was pretty close and also the DIY cable was not fully burned in yet. Which one do I want to get now? The DIY for sure...while saving up for the Merlin  ;)

Cheers,
William

PS: I don't think cat 5 is plated copper. Could anyone confirm this?
Title: Re: Speaker cables
Post by: zenelectro on February 09, 2012, 09:35:44 AM
So 3 things and my 2 pence worth it sounds sh!t against a proper cable designed for audio as opposed to networking being plated copper and not very pure. You try listening to it as interconnects and see how you go.


Vita which type of cat 5 (or 6) is plated? I have not seen this. WRT purity, TBH I think the whole purity thing is probably a bit of BS. AFAIK, -all- drawn copper wire is very pure,
as it has to be for the process.

But the crystal / size structure thing is more interesting as is annealing process.

Who has tried annealed copper interconnects / wire?   

Quote

OK I am ducking.  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
V

quack quack


Title: Re: Speaker cables
Post by: omodo on February 09, 2012, 10:20:57 AM
rj-45 connectors could be plated, but 99.99% (4N :P) sure that the conductors in cat5/6 are not plated

http://www.belkin.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Product_Id=454816
Conductor Construction:   Solid Bare Copper

http://www.belkin.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Product_Id=455122
Conductor Construction:   Bare Stranded Copper
Title: Re: Speaker cables
Post by: data on February 09, 2012, 12:41:32 PM
I have seen a few different wire types used in cat5, plated and even aluminum.

Some stuff is crazy brittle to work with.
Title: Re: Speaker cables
Post by: vitavoxdude on February 09, 2012, 03:32:15 PM
 ;D
Quote
V, I agree that a proper cable designed for audio is the way to go but this sort of cable usually goes for a lot of money.

Two days ago I just listened to Merlin Dragon power cable (http://www.merlincables.com/index.php?app=gbu0&ns=prodshow&ref=dragonmains) and it was compared to Cat 5 based DIY power cables with hi quality Furutech plugs (total cost around $300). Was the Merlin better? Yes. Five times better? Definitely no, in fact it was pretty close and also the DIY cable was not fully burned in yet. Which one do I want to get now? The DIY for sure...while saving up for the Merlin 

Yup, it's the laws of diminishing returns  at play again.  Trying to get the last 10 or so % of performance unfortuneatley costs a lot.  There is no arguement from me regarding the price / performance of cat 5 /6 it delivers an OK sound for low bucks, but if you want the high resoloution 'musical' repro then CAT 5 will simply not do.  Mains cables are mostly about low resistance so plenty of CAT 5 cores will give this to you.  So I throw down the challenge, make up some CAT 5 interconnects and swap them for your shop bought 'dedicated interconects' and see which one's get consigned to the bin. ( Answers on the back of a 50 dollar bill to  xxxxxxxxx chez Vitavoxdude  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D).  Mr. T, some are plated, some not.  Yes process is fundementaly low in inpurities but the single crystal 7N's sound a fair bit better than the norm in a highly resolving system IMHO.
V
Title: Re: Speaker cables
Post by: data on February 17, 2012, 03:50:37 PM
Well, I just hooked up my ML-1's with the 20awg Neotech (never used it for other than internal hookup till now) and straight off the bat the sound has less grain, not that I noticed said grain till using this stuff.

Usual disclaimer....my System, ears yada-yada.
Title: Re: Speaker cables
Post by: vitavoxdude on February 17, 2012, 04:03:25 PM
'Less grain' ha ha ha, yes that's apt.  700 feeet long crystals according to the blurb.
How many runs to each terminal?
Low resistance will flush out the low's more, oops LM-1's so no real deep lows anyway.  Have you tried the ML ribbon cables, a lot more expensive but they are very good.
Title: Re: Speaker cables
Post by: data on February 17, 2012, 04:17:06 PM
Nah, haven't tried the Ribbontek cables, on a super low budget, so all I could manage is one run per terminal of the Neotech as it is  :-[

Listening to Cousin Mary by John Coltrane via my PC & DAC and it seems that's enough, double bass sounds fine :)

Might try two runs at some stage down the track just for curiosities sake.

Edit: Just to add, the sound is more open and effortless, everything sounds truer, I should have made cables with this wire a long time ago!
Title: Re: Speaker cables
Post by: kajak12 on February 19, 2012, 11:04:22 PM
Mario, with yourself it was like shooting fish in a barrel   :D
Fish is good data
neotech wire is fantastic clarity and smoothness also  the texture timbre of music i must say people should try it asap.
THANKS DATA  :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: Speaker cables
Post by: Jehuty on February 19, 2012, 11:52:51 PM
Mario, with yourself it was like shooting fish in a barrel   :D
Fish is good data
neotech wire is fantastic clarity and smoothness also  the texture timbre of music i must say people should try it asap.
THANKS DATA  :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

For speaker cables? Or hook up wire?
Title: Re: Speaker cables
Post by: kajak12 on February 20, 2012, 12:39:50 AM
Mario, with yourself it was like shooting fish in a barrel   :D
Fish is good data
neotech wire is fantastic clarity and smoothness also  the texture timbre of music i must say people should try it asap.
THANKS DATA  :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

For speaker cables? Or hook up wire?
hook up wire
Title: Re: Speaker cables
Post by: vitavoxdude on May 24, 2012, 10:22:05 AM
 ;)  So no takers on using cat 4, 5 or 6 as interconnect.  I have tried it and it's a NO from me, speaker cables in multiple runs are just OK, nothing more.
V
Title: Re: Speaker cables
Post by: ozmillsy on May 24, 2012, 09:38:51 PM
neotech wire is fantastic clarity and smoothness also  the texture timbre of music i must say people should try it asap.
THANKS DATA  :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Mario,  what was the cable topology?   2 strands twisted?
Title: Re: Speaker cables
Post by: kajak12 on May 24, 2012, 09:46:28 PM
neotech wire is fantastic clarity and smoothness also  the texture timbre of music i must say people should try it asap.
THANKS DATA  :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Mario,  what was the cable topology?   2 strands twisted?
This wire i use from my volumepot to the tag board (where my input to grid of the tube is) i have 2 strands untwisted only about 6cm long for each channel
Title: Re: Speaker cables
Post by: braddo on May 24, 2012, 10:56:02 PM
;)  So no takers on using cat 4, 5 or 6 as interconnect.  I have tried it and it's a NO from me, speaker cables in multiple runs are just OK, nothing more.
V

Wow what an interesting subject. I got my hands on rolls of different awg solid core cable and I've been experimenting a bit with IC straight from DAC to preamp then straight to headphones and this is addictive. I can understand how equipment matching can be critical, but i'm at the point where I'll have a different cable for what mood I'm in I'm not joking, and I haven't scratched the surface yet.
Title: Re: Speaker cables
Post by: kajak12 on May 24, 2012, 11:25:30 PM
;)  So no takers on using cat 4, 5 or 6 as interconnect.  I have tried it and it's a NO from me, speaker cables in multiple runs are just OK, nothing more.
V

Wow what an interesting subject. I got my hands on rolls of different awg solid core cable and I've been experimenting a bit with IC straight from DAC to preamp then straight to headphones and this is addictive. I can understand how equipment matching can be critical, but i'm at the point where I'll have a different cable for what mood I'm in I'm not joking, and I haven't scratched the surface yet.
Enjoy your journey of wire  :D  your not classified as crazy until you dream about wires
Title: Re: Speaker cables
Post by: braddo on May 25, 2012, 12:08:25 AM
Knocking off work early to go for A beer? No, knocking off early to make a different set of IC's ???

Hahaha well this has been my life the last 3 weeks not crazy *yet*. :P
Title: Re: Speaker cables
Post by: ozmillsy on May 25, 2012, 08:11:15 AM
This wire i use from my volumepot to the tag board (where my input to grid of the tube is) i have 2 strands untwisted only about 6cm long for each channel
Ok, you haven't tried it for interconnects yet?

I plan to try the neotech for both speaker wire and interconnects.
Title: Re: Speaker cables
Post by: vitavoxdude on May 25, 2012, 09:03:43 AM
;)  So no takers on using cat 4, 5 or 6 as interconnect.  I have tried it and it's a NO from me, speaker cables in multiple runs are just OK, nothing more.
V

Wow what an interesting subject. I got my hands on rolls of different awg solid core cable and I've been experimenting a bit with IC straight from DAC to preamp then straight to headphones and this is addictive. I can understand how equipment matching can be critical, but i'm at the point where I'll have a different cable for what mood I'm in I'm not joking, and I haven't scratched the surface yet.
Enjoy your journey of wire  :D  your not classified as crazy until you dream about wires
Damn, that's me certifiable then.  Try making up 20 sets of interconnects out of an incredibly difficult geometry to strip and you try and dream up ways of doing it quicker and easier!
V
Title: Re: Speaker cables
Post by: ozmillsy on May 29, 2012, 12:15:37 PM
Neotech is en route.   Got some 20awg for speaker runs, and 24awg to make a pair of interconnects. 
Title: Re: Speaker cables
Post by: kajak12 on May 29, 2012, 10:14:19 PM
Neotech is en route.   Got some 20awg for speaker runs, and 24awg to make a pair of interconnects. 
keep us informed making interconnects with that wire crossed my mind many times
Title: Re: Speaker cables
Post by: ozmillsy on May 30, 2012, 08:08:10 PM
Running the 20awg neotech wire as speaker cabling ATM,  2m on each side,  simple twisted run.  Been running all afternoon.  It's sounding very nice, on my system it's an improvement over the multi strand I was using, the neotech has a more solid foundation and a sense of openness.

No nasties anywhere that I can hear.   Good value recommendation.  [thumbs up]
Title: Re: Speaker cables
Post by: springcreek on May 30, 2012, 09:33:26 PM
Nice, will have to try it...would like to get the Nordost out of my system.

Cheers
Title: Re: Speaker cables
Post by: data on June 19, 2012, 03:50:46 PM
I have the Neotech in phono stage, signal wire in my amp, speaker cables and IC's now.

I love this wire  :D

IC's I didn't make myself, got them from Geoff on the bay as at $90 & $100 a pair with Eichmann terminations it would cost me that to make myself.

With using this wire for speaker cables, try different ways of construction, I found the negative and positive runs had too much field influence on each other in a straight twist together, and reducing that influence they have on each other results in a more open, less congested sound. Oh! I found a little of that interaction of the fields seems to be positive but too much is not, for myself and system anyhow.
Title: Re: Speaker cables
Post by: YoungSC on August 22, 2012, 09:19:50 AM
I get it from an ebay seller, he has even recently joined SNA, nice fellow that loves his tubes and owns one of Eric's amps.

I like this for hook-up and maybe ICs http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Neotech-UPOCC-Solid-Core-7N-Copper-24AWG-Blue-Teflon-/220867876913?pt=AU_Electronics_Accessories_Wires_Cables&hash=item336cc05831

And this might be good for speaker wire http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Neotech-UPOCC-Solid-Core-7N-Copper-20AWG-BLACK-Teflon-/220933770433?pt=AU_Electronics_Accessories_Wires_Cables&hash=item3370adccc1

He also carries a pure silver, but I don't want to offend Mario by linking that   :P

Just be careful not to mark the wire when cutting the Teflon insulator, as it can lead to the a brake in the wire.

Has anyone tried these for speaker cable?

I was considering buying some of the 24awg to make interconnects and was wondering if this size would also be suitable for speaker cables running Fostex full rangers above 200Hz.  Would I need the 20awg for this, or would the 24awg suffice?
Title: Re: Speaker cables
Post by: ozmillsy on August 22, 2012, 07:29:03 PM
I'm using 20awg neotech for speaker wire to my tannoys, and am liking it.   Sounds better than the other options I have [1mm solid core (bunnings), jaycar multi,  and thick ribbon cables].

Am also using the all copper Aurealis ic's between preamp and power amp, and really like them, am about to buy another set or 2 of these ic's.