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General HIFI => Cables => Topic started by: Peter A on March 23, 2014, 12:07:18 PM
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Hi all, for all who have see or have listened to these plugs, what are your thoughts and impressions of the KLEI Copper/Silver®Harmony Phono/RCA Plug... For other members who have not see or heard of these plugs, please go to: http://kleinnovations.com/kle-innovations-klei-products/harmony-plug/
Peter
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Craig, told me he thinks these are very good, much better than the previous Eichmann bullit plugs. What does that better really mean, I guess potential, but there is never an absolute on a well tuned system. l really what to try these soon, Plus this is an Australian company.
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Yep, one of the best Australian companies! They are well known throughout the audiophile world. I am very interested to see what the silver does to your system this time around Steve! 8)
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I was talking to a guy on another forum about these the other day, he got both the copper and silver ones, and thought they were both excellent, in his system and to his ears he preferred the silver ones.
Heh, just another thing going on my list :)
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My issue with standard Eichman plugs, is the spot where the ground wire attaches is small, and this meant the ground wire could (and would) easily break free as the IC was being flexed.
Looks like they have addressed that problem in the new design, see the pins in the pic at the bottom right.
(http://kleinnovations.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/plug-diagram.jpg)
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I've had that problem on 2 of my connectors. Had to solder the pin back together which I don't think is ideal for sound quality.
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Its just hard to get a really solid solder join, on such a small ground connector.
Really happy to see the bigger pin on the new model.
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I tired them both. They are easy to solder, strong, easy to put on/off an RCA socket, look good, and most of all they both sound great.
The Silver, for my ears is better... thanks :)
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I tired them both. They are easy to solder, strong, easy to put on/off an RCA socket, look good, and most of all they both sound great.
The Silver, for my ears is better... thanks :)
Hey PingPing,
Where did you buy them from? And how much did they cost?
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Hi Greg, Aurealis ($66/Copper, $99/Silver). Just had a look at KLE Innovations website and it shows Aurealis, RK Cable, Soundlabs, and Holton... :)
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I have ordered two pairs of the silver harmonies on Rawls advice ;D
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I have ordered two pairs of the silver harmonies on Rawls advice ;D
Dont trust rawl he is an engineer :P
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I have ordered two pairs of the silver harmonies on Rawls advice ;D
Did he give you a description of the difference?
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is that price for a pair or set of 4?
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set of 4
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is that price for a pair or set of 4?
More resolution but none of the sonic nasties we associate with silver. Heard them in his system and I wouldn't have picked silver in the chain.
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Hi springcreek, they have just released the Pure®Harmony Phono/RCA Plug. The following is a link... http://kleinnovations.com/klei-pureharmony-phonorca-plug-released/ :)
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I see they have put a summary of the differences between each of the Harmony plugs.
http://kleinnovations.com/kle-innovations-klei-products/harmony-plug/ (http://kleinnovations.com/kle-innovations-klei-products/harmony-plug/)
(http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1370915/Audio/KLE_Harmony_Plugs.jpg)
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33% off the Silver version.
http://www.partsconnexion.com/KLE-77704.html (http://www.partsconnexion.com/KLE-77704.html)
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Silver plugs seem to be the preferred choice over copper with these new plugs?
Interesting...
Shall buy a couple of sets of silver since they on sale. Need to make some half decent interconnects! (With copper wire funny enough :))
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Why do you think the Silver is 33% off .
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haha! One set of coppers too. I like the colour of copper better than silver anyway.
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I ordered a set of Pure Harmony plugs, direct from KLEI. They are reported to be the best.
But I really should get 1 of each type, and compare. There are no absolutes.
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I am getting two pairs of Pure Harmony plugs from KL...a pleasure to deal with. Would love to get his cables.
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Why do you think the Silver is 33% off .
Hey Steven is the silver passed its use buy date?? Like many things all silver isnt the same.
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Would love to get his cables.
I've made a purchasing decision that I will be buying a set of Essence gZero6 IC's, in due course (can you confirm they are the ones demo'd at the GTG?).
Before I do, I plan to make my own 1.5m set of IC's, based on similar cable config to the set I posted about the other week (except with the Pure Harmony plugs).
http://killerdac.com/forum/index.php/topic,2699.0.html (http://killerdac.com/forum/index.php/topic,2699.0.html)
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Yes the cables are Essence gZero6 ICs. They are by far and away the best cables I have heard in my system. I will be buying some as soon as I can afford it.
Rawl is making me two sets of interconnects using PureHarmony plugs and Gotham GAC-4 wire. I expect these will be very good, just not as good as the gZero6 cables. I am also going to get my 1877 phono cables reterminated with PureHarmony plugs.
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To all who attended the Canberra GTG, how did the Essence gZero6 Interconnects sound against the other cables. Better or worse.
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To all who attended the Canberra GTG, how did the Essence gZero6 Interconnects sound against the other cables. Better or worse.
Hi Peter,
Easily better 8)
Cheers,
Wil
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To all who attended the Canberra GTG, how did the Essence gZero6 Interconnects sound against the other cables. Better or worse.
Peter, I also tried the interconnect here, and I must say its very very good, Its warm smooth and grainless with interesting lack of distortion, all-over on par with my Yamamura 5000, just different. Both had their moments in the sun, I will get some eventually. Peter how does the top of the line, compare to the cheaper models.
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To all who attended the Canberra GTG, how did the Essence gZero6 Interconnects sound against the other cables. Better or worse.
Peter
I had the gZero6 cables in my system during and after the GTG. They are by far and away the best cables I've had in my system. They have an openess, transparency and sense of liveness that was simply brilliant. It was hard to give them back. I will buy them as soom as I can afford them.
I currently have a set of ICs in my system for assessment from an importer. They were sent for the GTG. They cost $5K+ and are very highly touted. They are good cables, but not even close to what the much more affordable gZero6 cables give you. The gap in pretty wide.
Cheers, Andy
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Was there a direct comparison to any Aurealis cables on hand?
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What other cables were at the GTG that were put against the gZero6? A pair of Van Den Hul - The FIRST Ultimate by any chance? They are Mario's current reference at the moment (even pipping the Lenehans Ribbonteks, which I thought were excellent already).
Tis a pity I wasn't able to get the Rullit interconnects on time for the GTG. They are meant to be 'killers' too.
http://www.audioasylum.com/audio/cables/messages/15/159030.html (http://www.audioasylum.com/audio/cables/messages/15/159030.html)
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A pair of Van Den Hul - The FIRST Ultimate by any chance? They are Mario's current reference at the moment (even pipping the Lenehans Ribbonteks, which I thought were excellent already).
No VDH, I liked them a lot too. I blame Paul Hedalfa for not bringing a pair to the GTG :P
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What other cables were at the GTG that were put against the gZero6? A pair of Van Den Hul - The FIRST Ultimate by any chance? They are Mario's current reference at the moment (even pipping the Lenehans Ribbonteks, which I thought were excellent already).
tuyen when my amp arrives I will have a pair gzero6 sent to me.
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GTG at yours Mario? I will bring some Rullit interconnects and also some DIY interconnects that I will make with Klotz AC110 cable I was given ages ago from Jasper. The Klotz stuff is not expensive and commonly used for guitar/mic cables.
(http://www.puresonics.com.au/photos/images/mogami/MOG2524_INTERNAL.jpg)
(http://www.jobbo.de/ebay/klotz_AC110.jpg)
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GTG at yours Mario? I will bring some Rullit interconnects and also some DIY interconnects that I will make with Klotz AC110 cable I was given ages ago from Jasper. The Klotz stuff is not expensive and commonly used for guitar/mic cables.
(http://www.puresonics.com.au/photos/images/mogami/MOG2524_INTERNAL.jpg)
(http://www.jobbo.de/ebay/klotz_AC110.jpg)
yep GTG for ic's is on! lucky for me i only use 1 pair so its easy to compare
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To all who attended the Canberra GTG, how did the Essence gZero6 Interconnects sound against the other cables. Better or worse.
Ha Ha, Hi Peter
Was not paying that much attention to be honest. I can tell you which beer tasted best, That's far more important.
Coopers the red stuff ::)
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What other cables were at the GTG that were put against the gZero6? A pair of Van Den Hul - The FIRST Ultimate by any chance? They are Mario's current reference at the moment (even pipping the Lenehans Ribbonteks, which I thought were excellent already).
Tis a pity I wasn't able to get the Rullit interconnects on time for the GTG. They are meant to be 'killers' too.
http://www.audioasylum.com/audio/cables/messages/15/159030.html (http://www.audioasylum.com/audio/cables/messages/15/159030.html)
Hey Tuyen
Paul uses the VDH First Ulitimate and its a very nice cable...I have had it in my system before on loan. Other cables were Aurelis (didn't use it much), Shindo (didn't really get much of a run unfortunatley), and High Fidelity cables. All good cables, but I know where my money is going.
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Cool cool!
Another cable which has caught my eye for a while are the ones by Grover Huffmans. Not silly priced and seems to be made from ground up with his special recipe including the plugs. http://www.groverhuffman.com/interconnects (http://www.groverhuffman.com/interconnects)
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Coopers the red stuff ::)
Can't agree more! I started with the green because Brad told me the red was very strong. Well, it's got just the right amount of alcohol content for me, haha!
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Another cable which has caught my eye for a while are the ones by Grover Huffmans. Not silly priced and seems to be made from ground up with his special recipe including the plugs. http://www.groverhuffman.com/interconnects (http://www.groverhuffman.com/interconnects)
Grover Huffman Zx Speaker Cable 10 ft for sale $360: http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=126225.0
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Can't agree more! I started with the green because Brad told me the red was very strong. Well, it's got just the right amount of alcohol content for me, haha!
I reckon as soon you guys started buying VB your opinion on beer was void :P
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I reckon as soon you guys started buying VB your opinion on beer was void :P
They didn't have Coopers. Other choice was Indian beer. VB was the "safest" choice :P
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I reckon as soon you guys started buying VB your opinion on beer was void :P
Depends on whether your a beer drinker or a pretender. All the guys (read girls) that pick
boutique beers only drink 2 beers a night every three weeks or so. This makes their opinion
null and void and they should stick to mummy's titty :-*
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well I guess after half a dozen any kind of swill is tolerable :P
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I reckon as soon you guys started buying VB your opinion on beer was void :P
VB = very best
EB = even better
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They didn't have Coopers. Other choice was Indian beer. VB was the "safest" choice :P
The noodle place only sold Indian beer too?? :P
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VB = very best
EB = even better
Ha Ha
I allways thought VB was
Visitors
Beer
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Depends on whether your a beer drinker or a pretender. All the guys (read girls) that pick
boutique beers only drink 2 beers a night every three weeks or so. This makes their opinion
null and void and they should stick to mummy's titty :-*
Lets have a myth busting beer challenge at the next GTG. :P :P :P The pretenders against the mountain men. The pretenders get to drink two beers and the mountain men as much as they like. Then at the end of the night we have a selection of beer served were you don’t know what it is. Do the mountain men still have their sense of taste, or do the pretenders have the edge? Ill act as a moderator for the proceedings. The only rule being who ever breaks into song before the end of the night will be illiminated from the contest.
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Hmmmmmm VB, Coopers red, what's next? Fosters, Budwiser, Millers, dirty dishwater :'(
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They didn't have Coopers. Other choice was Indian beer. VB was the "safest" choice :P
Go on William take a risk :o :o :o :o
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Go on William take a risk :o :o :o :o
After you, Paul... 8)
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After you, Paul... 8)
Sure!!!!!
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Peter, I also tried the interconnect here, and I must say its very very good, Its warm smooth and grainless with interesting lack of distortion, all-over on par with my Yamamura 5000, just different. Both had their moments in the sun, I will get some eventually. Peter how does the top of the line, compare to the cheaper models.
Steve,
Craig could probably answer your question in more detail. I find the higher up in model you go with KL's cables, the better they sound. Much better!!!!! Even from one model to another.
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Steve,
Since I got volunteered.
The best way I could describe is that the higher spec ones I have are like a combination of the 6s and the yamamura.
Sweeter, more open and better speed and clarity than the 6s, bigger soundstage in all dimensions, better decay and musical expression but with that little bit of bite in the vocals that the yamamura had.
Hard to comment on weight balance.
I have another set of 6s here that I am running in so will be able to do a direct comparison in a couple of weeks and then give you very specific descriptions of what I hear with a number of selected tracks.
Eg Pete Seager, Beatles, Weavers, Brothers Four, Wynton Marsalis, Planets
When I put the d-getters in the DAC, Brothers Four is sounding very very much like it was when we were playing it at your place, but a mix of yamamura plus 6 flavoring.
Just looking for a little more clarity in my amp which will hopefully be addressed by the same wiring configuration on the input as your 50 amp. Later this week hopefully.
Will keep you informed.
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Hey Guys, just saw this review on the Pure Harmony RCA which I thought might interest you... http://twogoodears.blogspot.it/2014/06/all-is-klear-pure-harmony-rca-plugs-by.html :)
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Hey Guys, just noticed another review on the Pure Harmony RCA which I thought might interest you.. http://www.image99.net/blog/files/c308b49af224fd5d44e58bf7ef50ce24-54.html :) :)
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I just ordered a set of Copper Harmony, so I can compare to the Pure (silver) Harmony.
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Hi ozmillsy, should be interesting but I have tried all three now (copper, silver, pure) and the Pure is definitely is the best (produces the best sound) but it is the dearest :)
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Hey PingPing, can you share with us the difference you observed in each type of plug.
I think I will ultimately try all 3, just for fun. Sometimes different spots in our system need different things, and its handy to have options at our disposal to dial in.
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Hi ozmillsy, from my experience with the Harmony RCAs (my favourite is the Pure Harmony), I thought the reviews were very accurate, that is why I posted the links, http://www.image99.net/blog/files/c308b49af224fd5d44e58bf7ef50ce24-54.html http://twogoodears.blogspot.it/2014/06/all-is-klear-pure-harmony-rca-plugs-by.html. One is quite poetic but still accurate :) :)
After using them, I wouldn't use any other RCA now, and I have quite a few different ones/brands in my parts box (Copper/Silver/Hybrid Bullet, WBT Next Gen, Neotech, TeCu 'star' RCA, and others), nowadays :)
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Did you really find the pure silver plugs to be "warmer" and "fuller" than the copper?
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Did you really find the pure silver plugs to be "warmer" and "fuller" than the copper?
Hi ozmillsy, actually yes, just as indicated in the review blog :)
How are the diy interconnects you have just done, sounding!... since you are asking, I guess you mustn't be hearing the same results :)
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I havent 'compared' plugs,,,,,, yet.
But I will, and will report what I hear.
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sounds good :)
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Thought you might like to read this review of the KLEI Pure Harmony plug by Mono & Stereo... http://www.monoandstereo.com/2014/08/kle-pure-harmony-plug-and-chisto-das.html (http://www.monoandstereo.com/2014/08/kle-pure-harmony-plug-and-chisto-das.html) :)
Steve, I wonder if this cable is as good as the Yamamurra5000 cable :)