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General HIFI => Cables => Topic started by: PingPing on October 17, 2014, 09:25:37 AM
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KLEI have just released their new KLEI Absolute®Harmony Phono/RCA Plugs ... http://kleinnovations.com/kle-innovations-klei-products/harmony-plug/klei-absoluteharmony-phonorca-plug/ (http://kleinnovations.com/kle-innovations-klei-products/harmony-plug/klei-absoluteharmony-phonorca-plug/)
Sound: Exceptional Resolution, Extremely tight non-bloated deep/detailed/resolving Bass, Extremely articulate presentation, Conveys subtle nuances with amazing dexterity, Stage is spacious and envelopes the listener, Allows the full emotion of the music to be experienced, Superb dynamics and an excellent micro detail presentation, Displays delicate upper mid and high frequency detail/resolution and harmonic texture with precision and emotion, Delivers music with extremely low noise/distortion in a Warm Musical and Involving manner from an very very Black/Quiet Background.
Our testing, and reports received, show that the KLEI Absolute®Harmony when compared to the KLEI Pure®Harmony is Simply… even Faster, even Quieter/Noiseless/Blacker Background, and more transparent, and has noticeably better PRAT, Decay, Timbre and Texture, Edge Control and Extension, Resolution, and Stage.
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Interesting it states the use of silver in the plugs, as you all know i am not that keen on silver anywhere in a superbly tuned system, Sure silver can work in a system that is not well balanced ????. I will have the new Keith Eichmann interconnects with these plugs in about a week or so. His other interconnects where mainly very good, some brilliant, This newly designed interconnect and plugs is supposedly the best of all, I will keep you informed.
1.Signal/Ground pins utilise an even higher spec KLEI PureSilver™ with >106% IACS conductivity.
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Sounds really good... keep us posted :)
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This newly designed interconnect and plugs is supposedly the best of all, I will keep you informed.
Keen to hear your final thought Steve. Looks like I need to flog off my Yamamura M-5000 soon, anyone? :D
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Can you still get the Yamamura M-5000? :)
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Hi PingPing,
No, it's not made anymore and preloved M-5000 very seldom comes up on sale. I was very lucky to grab them when it was on sale. Trust me, it was a long persistence of continuous search which finally got me the Yamamura. I literally look on the net every night for the past 2 to 3 years to find a pair....or two including the ones I missed out due to crazy bidding wars.
Considering how hard it was to find them, I really hope the KLEI would be better as I need more than a pair of IC and probably longer then just 1 meter.
Hmm....where's Steve? I think I can say for everyone we're all waiting for your report :)
Cheers,
Wil
Edit: Ups...I just realised it was only two days ago Steve posted about the KLEI. Take your time to test them Steve and let us know when you're ready :)
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Aha, so when you shared the ebay listings on the 6000's, you were really holding back waiting for 5000's ! 8)
Fair enough, congrats on securing a pair, well done.
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Hi Oz,
I wasn't sure how good the 6000 were and the price was out of my reach. If the price was not too dear I would have bought them. I got the 5000 within my budget ;)
Cheers,
Wil
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I wasn't sure how good the 6000 were and the price was out of my reach. If the price was not too dear I would have bought them. I got the 5000 within my budget ;)
Bonus (I have a bad habit of overspending mine). 8)
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Like others here, I'm waiting for Steve's review of these 8)
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... I got the 5000 within my budget ;)
What are your impressions of the M-5000's in your system...
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What are your impressions of the M-5000's in your system...
Hi PingPing,
My M-5000 are with Steve as I want him to compare to his. I didn't get a chance to listen to my main system so I think my impression would not be very useful (or even valid).
Cheers,
Wil
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Gday Steven
Hey are you going to be testing the KL IC 10's or the 180's?
I have a pair of 6's which sound good from Bryston cd player to surround system but are not long enough to reach from Kdac to Marios amp so I cant test them on the 2 channel.
I'm going to get a pair of longer 10's to test on 2 channel and hopefully down the track a pair of 180's to check out.
Nathan
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Have a look at the gZero10 ICs in this thread ... http://forum.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/fr.pl?htech&1413499349&&&/KLEI-Absolute%AEHarmony-Phono-RCA-Plugs (http://forum.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/fr.pl?htech&1413499349&&&/KLEI-Absolute%AEHarmony-Phono-RCA-Plugs)
They sound like they are awesome :)
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Yes Willie Wonker sure likes em.
Steven is going to be listening to the 10's in his system. They are coming via Coffs Harbour on the way down to the Blue Mountains.
I tried the 6's last night from cheap NAD tuner to Integra processor with really nice results. Jazztrack on classical FM has never sounded so good. Also good results from Integra processor preout center channel with Arcam 777 amp.
I'm really looking forward to trying the 10's from my Kdac to Marios EL34 amp. ATM I have a pair of Revelation Audio Labs IC's doing a good job so it'll be nice to compare.
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I have on loan since last night atm a 1.5m pair of the KLEI gZero6 IC and a 2m pair of the KLEI gZero10 IC.
The KLEI gZero10 IC are on their way down to Steven early next week.
I had in my 2 channel system (Wadia/Zen clock cd transport i2s, Kdac, Marios EL34 amp) a a pair of $800 IC's which I considered to be very good. The 6's literally blew them away. It has been said the 10's are better again than the 6's but I couldn't imagine it. But I put the 10's in and yep they were better again.
The 6's reminded me of the improvement in going from SPDIF to I2S but possibly even more so. Much smear was removed and more purity was allowed through. My system has often sounded a bit dark slow and muddy but the 6's tightened things up and sped things up somewhat .
The 10's had the same refinements of the 6's with a bit of extra life and punch.
These cables have helped my system out with its deficiencies for sure but how they will go in a system which is finely tuned and super balanced with no obvious deficiencies like Stevens setup will be interesting.
Recently in Melbourne I heard a very nice pair of Shunyata IC's irradicate somewhat some problems in a freinds a system. Even though the limitations and deficiencies on my system were completely different to the system I heard in Melbourne the end result of these IC's n my system reminded me of that .
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onthebeach, sounds really good :) Would you say WillieWonkers post a fairly accurate post and evaluation of the gZero10 ICs :)
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Yeah I reckon its pretty accurate.
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onthebeach, any more to tell? Like are the gZero6 and 10 ICs still sounding the same or better, etc...
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onthebeach, any more to tell? Like are the gZero6 and 10 ICs still sounding the same or better, etc...
Steven has the 10's in his system atm.
I have the 6's atm which sound really nice to me...trouble is I know what the 10's sound like now :o
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I have on loan since last night atm a 1.5m pair of the KLEI gZero6 IC and a 2m pair of the KLEI gZero10 IC.
The KLEI gZero10 IC are on their way down to Steven early next week.
I had in my 2 channel system (Wadia/Zen clock cd transport i2s, Kdac, Marios EL34 amp) a pair of $800 IC's which I considered to be very good. The 6's literally blew them away. It has been said the 10's are better again than the 6's but I couldn't imagine it. But I put the 10's in and yep they were better again.
The 6's reminded me of the improvement in going from SPDIF to I2S but possibly even more so. Much smear was removed and more purity was allowed through. My system has often sounded a bit dark, slow, and muddy but the 6's tightened things up and sped things up somewhat.
The 10's had the same refinements of the 6's with a bit of extra life and punch.
These cables have helped my system out with its deficiencies for sure but how they will go in a system which is finely tuned and super balanced with no obvious deficiencies like Stevens setup will be interesting.
Recently in Melbourne I heard a very nice pair of Shunyata IC's irradicate somewhat some problems in a freinds a system. Even though the limitations and deficiencies on my system were completely different to the system I heard in Melbourne the end result of these IC's n my system reminded me of that .
onthebeach, what $800 ICs were the gZero6 ICs better than...
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Steven has the 10's in his system atm.
I have the 6's atm which sound really nice to me...trouble is I know what the 10's sound like now :o
... any more to tell :)
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... any more to tell :)
There is more the tell, give me a week and I will report.
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tell, tell, tell more :)
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nothing to tell...
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Ping to many things to do, I will get it done soon
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Ping to many things to do, I will get it done soon
Too many things to do? wtf you don't even have a job bloody hell just imagine those that work 55 hrs p/w plus
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Too many things to do? wtf you don't even have a job bloody hell just imagine those that work 55 hrs p/w plus
Suckers
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That's all right the workers of Australia (suckers) understand how we must look after the underprivileged
that sit on their arse all day and winge that they have no time :-*
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Now theres a thought, folk will make the time if they are committed and make excuses when they are not. (IMV-SNA)
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Suckers
Your right we are suckers after all we end up in the same place
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Your right we are suckers after all we end up in the same place
But, I didn't think it was all about the destination; I thought it was about enjoying your journey! :)
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To be fair though he has got plenty to do....theres Peter Paul & Mary and some Beatles and Andrea Bocelli and some Vivaldi Four Seasons and the Voice Squad and some Elvis and Buddy Holly and Peggy Lee...the list is endless. Very tiring work. Much of it needs to be diligently done after most of us are fast asleep.
Its a tough life alright so dont pick on him Graham & Mario. You and me have got it easy working all week in comparison :'(.
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To be fair though he has got plenty to do....theres Peter Paul & Mary and some Beatles and Andrea Bocelli and some Vivaldi Four Seasons and the Voice Squad and some Elvis and Buddy Holly and Peggy Lee...the list is endless. Very tiring work. Much of it needs to be diligently done after most of us are fast asleep.
Its a tough life alright so dont pick on him Graham & Mario. You and me have got it easy working all week in comparison :'(.
He's doing what he loves compared to me (and maybe Graham and Mario) who has to put up with all the BS at work and not to mention bullying, unfair treatment, rude clients, etc etc.
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He's doing what he loves compared to me (and maybe Graham and Mario) who has to put up with all the BS at work and not to mention bullying, unfair treatment, rude clients, etc etc.
Rudeness, insanity you name its all there with some of Public Service work. I know of one suicide and the others excessive drinking ultimately claimed his life.
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Rudeness, insanity you name its all there with some of Public Service work. I know of one suicide and the others excessive drinking ultimately claimed his life.
I'm trying to drink myself to death but the bloody gout stops me from getting to the bar.... ;D
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Rudeness, insanity you name its all there with some of Public Service work. I know of one suicide and the others excessive drinking ultimately claimed his life.
I am actually amazed how you can put up with all that for years Paul! No doubt your family is a massive support and also beautiful music through your system (and youtubing!). I haven't even been here for one year but I can't stand it anymore, I gotta move, I just don't want to be like those people you mentioned. Hurting themselves and ultimately wasting their lives >:( Oh well, at least whenever I finish work and go home I can get away from those nasty people and enjoy my time a bit with my system (thanks for lending me the JBL and letting me know about the 45 amp). So yeah, start working Steve and let us know the verdict of the cable!
I'm trying to drink myself to death but the bloody gout stops me from getting to the bar.... ;D
We need you to stay around for a long....long time! So, please take care of yourself mate...
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I am actually amazed how you can put up with all that for years Paul! No doubt your family is a massive support and also beautiful music through your system (and youtubing!). I haven't even been here for one year but I can't stand it anymore, I gotta move, I just don't want to be like those people you mentioned. Hurting themselves and ultimately wasting their lives >:( Oh well, at least whenever I finish work and go home I can get away from those nasty people and enjoy my time a bit with my system (thanks for lending me the JBL and letting me know about the 45 amp). So yeah, start working Steve and let us know the verdict of the cable!
We need you to stay around for a long....long time! So, please take care of yourself mate...
Yeah sorry pretty dumb thing to say. Feeling a bit morose today as I just discovered this afternoon that one of my bestest audio buddies
in the States died last week. Never experienced finding out a good friend had passed by the net before. RIP Larry Mellette.
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Yeah sorry pretty dumb thing to say. Feeling a bit morose today as I just discovered this afternoon that one of my bestest audio buddies
in the States died last week. Never experienced finding out a good friend had passed by the net before. RIP Larry.
My condolences, it's always hard to lose a good friend...
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My condolences, it's always hard to lose a good friend...
Yea I know what you mean, I had my great sounding TDA1541A S2 chip die a few years ago. It took me a long time to get over it.
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Yeah sorry pretty dumb thing to say. Feeling a bit morose today as I just discovered this afternoon that one of my bestest audio buddies
in the States died last week. Never experienced finding out a good friend had passed by the net before. RIP Larry Mellette.
Sorry to hear that and that's a real tough way to find out.
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Yea I know what you mean, I had my great sounding TDA1541A S2 chip die a few years ago. It took me a long time to get over it.
I am all for humour, not sure in the cold light of day however this was helpful. I wouldn't like it if the loss of my friend was compared with a computer chip.
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I am actually amazed how you can put up with all that for years Paul! No doubt your family is a massive support and also beautiful music through your system (and youtubing!). I haven't even been here for one year but I can't stand it anymore, I gotta move, I just don't want to be like those people you mentioned. Hurting themselves and ultimately wasting their lives >:( Oh well, at least whenever I finish work and go home I can get away from those nasty people and enjoy my time a bit with my system (thanks for lending me the JBL and letting me know about the 45 amp). So yeah, start working Steve and let us know the verdict of the cable!
We need you to stay around for a long....long time! So, please take care of yourself mate...
I think the idea of multiple threads to our lives is truly helpful. When things go to pot as they sometimes do there's always others as anchors to hold on to. And there is humour what can you do but laugh when see some of the insanity and worse effected by it. Try 20 years of it William, thank heavens for music and other outside interests.
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Sorry to hear that and that's a real tough way to find out.
Yep really brings you back to earth and makes you fully aware of your own mortality.
Larry was the same age as me and had the same sort of medical issues. I can't stop
thinking it could have just as easily been me the one that croaked earlier this year.
We all gotta go sometime but mid 50's is way to early.
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Yep really brings you back to earth and makes you fully aware of your own mortality.
Larry was the same age as me and had the same sort of medical issues. I can't stop
thinking it could have just as easily been me the one that croaked earlier this year.
We all gotta go sometime but mid 50's is way to early.
A real jolt, particularly given the impersonal way you found out. Definitely way too soon and as William said we want you around a lot longer.
Easy to go through life on auto pilot, tell our bodies shout Hello!!! Houston we have a problem.
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I can get away from those nasty people and enjoy my time a bit with my system
the nasty ones, are those that sit in judgement, who dont have the courage to tell you to your face what they really think, that say ugly things (about your system) to others behind your back. And sometimes, when pushed really hard, will sting you with a bunch of unpleasantries that serves no purpose than to justify their own opinions. These farkers are the worst scum. And yes, they often work in the public service.
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And where is the long overdue "Grand Phoba's" comments on the KLEI 10's...
Still waiting...
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the nasty ones, are those that sit in judgement, who dont have the courage to tell you to your face what they really think, that say ugly things (about your system) to others behind your back. And sometimes, when pushed really hard, will sting you with a bunch of unpleasantries that serves no purpose than to justify their own opinions. These farkers are the worst scum. And yes, they often work in the public service.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FnO3igOkOk
Throw away words are easy, as this notable movie scene highlights. Saying you want the truth and handling it are two different things
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And where is the long overdue "Grand Phoba's" comments on the KLEI 10's...
Still waiting...
As stated earlier here I had the cables for a few days before sending them to Steven. As it turned out they weren't even fully burnt in. I thought they were absolutely fantastic even undercooked and wiped the floor with the IC's I was using. But my system has definite limitations which these cables went a long way to help address and balance out. How they blend in with Steves system which is already well balanced and finely tuned will be interesting to find out.
They must be very good. If they were not it would have been cut and dried in a day or 2.
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As stated earlier here I had the cables for a few days before sending them to Steven. As it turned out they weren't even fully burnt in. I thought they were absolutely fantastic even undercooked and wiped the floor with the IC's I was using. But my system has definite limitations which these cables went a long way to help address and balance out. How they blend in with Steves system which is already well balanced and finely tuned will be interesting to find out.
They must be very good. If they were not it would have been cut and dried in a day or 2.
Please not stevenvalve is very busy has 4 kids and full time job works 14 hrs/days it will take a retired stevenvalve to do a review....................
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Please not stevenvalve is very busy has 4 kids and full time job works 14 hrs/days it will take a retired stevenvalve to do a review....................
Oh God....Stop whinging Steve! :P
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Well if its worth doing right, its worth waiting for. IMV you really need at least 3 systems to try these in as one size does not fit all IMO. Getting the right synergies between kit will always dominate any small differences in high end cables IMV.
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Well if its worth doing right, its worth waiting for. IMV you really need at least 3 systems to try these in as one size does not fit all IMO. Getting the right synergies between kit will always dominate any small differences in high end cables IMV.
Very true and sometimes the cable you needed previously isn't the one you need anymore when the system has evolved. Its a pain taking a bath selling stuff that worked but you have outgrown, though the way I look at it if it benefits someone else then that's good karma, plus on the flip side I have got equipment that didn't work for previous buyer that it does for me.
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Jehuty....
As if your avatar isnt distracting enough now your signature pics are really distracting me. Albeit a rather pleasant distraction I must say. When I'm on the Kdac site now at work my wife and anyone walking into the office thinks I'm scrolling through a soft porn site.
How is a man supposed to think clearly with you around ;D ;D ;D
(Nice arse btw)
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Sorry about that onthebeach.
I'll fix it tonight as there's no way I surf this forum in the office with my avatar and signatures like that.
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And where is the long overdue "Grand Phoba's" comments on the KLEI 10's...
Still waiting...
I think he has lost that title due to dereliction of duty he is only Phoba now..
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Jehuty....
As if your avatar isnt distracting enough now your signature pics are really distracting me. Albeit a rather pleasant distraction I must say. When I'm on the Kdac site now at work my wife and anyone walking into the office thinks I'm scrolling through a soft porn site.
How is a man supposed to think clearly with you around ;D ;D ;D
(Nice arse btw)
Alright...fixed! Hopefully it's less offensive now :)
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Alright...fixed! Hopefully it's less offensive now :)
Yeah...just as well you you deviant ;D
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Alright...fixed! Hopefully it's less offensive now :)
Never offensive Will. Quite pleasant actually. Just distracting.
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This is a post I saw on one of the forums :)
I would like to tell you that I am very, very pleased with KLEI gZero10 ICs and gZero6 SCs. The word should be intoxicating (in a good way), better than any destructive drugs. So far I have found that the KLEI gZero IC/SC products work the best.
- KLEI gZero10 IC x 1.5m
- KLEI gZero6 SC x 2.5m
My AC line is from balanced power supply. I have a pair of Revel F208 and F206 floor stand speakers, M275 McIntosh tube amp, McIntosh preamp, Musical Fidelity M6 integrated amp, Bryston BDP-2 digital server, Bryston BDA-2 DAC.
The ICs that I have are…
- Wireworld Esclipe 6
- Wywire Gold IC
- Supra Swords IC, which has very good dynamic range; correct phase; adequate ambient and bass but looses out to gZero10 which is more neutral, has more dynamics, and musical without harsh treble.
- ZenwaveAudio D4 XLR type, which is a very good IC, that uses a UPOCC silver/gold connector, and has especially good tone and nuances but but is a bit lean in bass, a bit forward, and vocal/instrument separation. Not as good as gZero10 though.
- JJ Acounstics from Australia IC
- Morray James IC, which is very dynamic and has superb high extension and is quite the same as gZero10 in many ways. But the big problem is that it is more noisy and the phase of music is not so correct, which doesn't give the natural feeling.
- LessLoss IC, which is very quiet but has lack of dynamic extension
- Mark Stager's silver IC
The SCs that I have are…
- Wireworld oasis cables.
- Wywires gold
- Clear Day double shotgun
- LessLoss Achorwave
- ZenwaveAudio silver...
- Supra swords
- Morray James
The Power Cords that I have are…
- Wireworld Oasis and Esclipe
- Wywire gold with Bybee
- ZenwaveAudio 11 awg power cord, which is actually a very good power cord, where the dynamic distribution is even with good extension; not too warm and not bright.
- Cabledyne Silver, which is the best power cord that I have now. I changed its connectors to better ones; totally no harsh with good extension and very neutral.
I can't stand power conditioners which rob away music dynamics.
My music taste is that it must be very neutral with good dynamics and separation. A bit of warm is ok and I can't stand sibilance or grainy treble. Music must be free flow with good bass and ambiance.
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Throw away words are easy, as this notable movie scene highlights. Saying you want the truth and handling it are two different things
pffff, pathetic.
Apparently my system is not the only one you slag off. Nice trip down south was it, full of ear bleeding visits. Apparently there are few systems on this planet that live up to your lofty standards. Quite a reputation you are building for yourself.
Did you ever watch 'my kitchen rules' ? There is 1 consistent thing i have observed on that show. The most critical contestants tend to be the ones that cant really cook themselves.
How many people have heard your system? I have never read 1 public comment about it.
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pffff, pathetic.
Apparently my system is not the only one you slag off. Nice trip down south was it, full of ear bleeding visits. Apparently there are few systems on this planet that live up to your lofty standards. Quite a reputation you are building for yourself.
Did you ever watch 'my kitchen rules' ? There is 1 consistent thing i have observed on that show. The most critical contestants tend to be the ones that cant really cook themselves.
How many people have heard your system? I have never read 1 public comment about it.
Man up ozmillsy, your still carrying on howling and bawling when things don't go your way. I am not the only one that has this view . Your only reinforcing the quote provided.
I am listening for vocals and its bloody hard. Sounds like your listening to third hand gossip. I enjoyed the Shindo the system the most as that was the closest to what I am listening for. Digital playback isn't usually my thing.
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You two will have to have a duel, Guns or swords. If guns walk 30 paces turn and fire. Make it soon so we can get back on track.
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You two will have to have a duel, Guns or swords. If guns walk 30 paces turn and fire. Make it soon so we can get back on track.
That wont work Oz is only an armchair sniper he will be a no show as he was at the GTG in Canberra.
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Tin hats on lads :(, this is going to get nasty and with the no censorship vote in, just call each other the worst insults possible then we can all get back on track which was 'talking up' the kings new clothes, errr cables :D
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Guys months ago i tied the standard KLEI gZero6 IC and as stated earlier,,,, a great cable, great clarity, detail, amazing lack of noise, great warmth, and musicality. One small problem for me was a slight sameness to timbre. I am now trying the new more expensive 2 meter pair KLEI gZero10 IC interconnects. The trouble is these are a prototypes pair and not the same as the model sold on his web site. This pair do not seem to work well with my system, so i will get the new production model sold on there web site and try again.
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That wont work Oz is only an armchair sniper he will be a no show as he was at the GTG in Canberra.
you know where to find me, if you want to show me what you think a man is. I cant say i know where to find you.
I will be asking you to step outside, at the next GTG you care to show your face to. If you think i am joking, think again. Your childish insults are becoming rather boring.
Until then, i suggest we do everyone a favour, and not reply to each others posts. Each direct reply for either of us will be smited by all.
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Guys months ago i tied the standard KLEI gZero6 IC and as stated earlier,,,, a great cable, great clarity, detail, amazing lack of noise, great warmth, and musicality. One small problem for me was a slight sameness to timbre. I am now trying the new more expensive 2 meter pair KLEI gZero10 IC interconnects. The trouble is these are a prototypes pair and not the same as the model sold on his web site. This pair do not seem to work well with my system, so i will get the new production model sold on there web site and try again.
As you say, there are no absolutes in audio.
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Your haven't been invited the next GTG and that's the end of the matter.
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I'll be seeing you in Qld, if not before.
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@ozmillsy, have you tried the KLEI gZero6 ICs and gZero10 ICs...
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The 6's are in my system from dac->passive vc and sound very good. Perhaps the most revealing set of ic's i have heard in that spot (on my system). Detailed without being harsh. Very good.
Havent had the pleasure of listening to the 10's yet.
@ozmillsy, have you tried the KLEI gZero6 ICs and gZero10 ICs...
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I enjoyed the Shindo the system the most as that was the closest to what I am listening for. Digital playback isn't usually my thing.
Hi Paul, which Shindo system did you have a listen to?
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Hi Paul, which Shindo system did you have a listen to?
David Lees system.
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ahh ok, thanks! I recall Andy mentioned that to me now ;D
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The 6's are in my system from dac->passive vc and sound very good. Perhaps the most revealing set of ic's i have heard in that spot (on my system). Detailed without being harsh. Very good.
Haven't had the pleasure of listening to the 10's yet.
@ozmillsy, are you able to try the KLEI gZero10 ICs that stevenvalve has been trying... might be interesting?
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Its of mild concern that they arent the same as current production 10's.
System is disassembled, ATM (moving).
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ozmillsy, interesting that there are differences but it would have been interesting to read your thoughts of the KLEI gZero6 ICs and these gZero10 ICs in your audio system, since you have been listening to the 6's. Then later, read yours and stevenvalve's thoughts of the KLEI gZero6 ICs and the updated gZero10 ICs in your audio systems :)
But your system is disassembled, not too worry and all good :)
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Guys months ago i tied the standard KLEI gZero6 IC and as stated earlier,,,, a great cable, great clarity, detail, amazing lack of noise, great warmth, and musicality. One small problem for me was a slight sameness to timbre. I am now trying the new more expensive 2 meter pair KLEI gZero10 IC interconnects. The trouble is these are a prototypes pair and not the same as the model sold on his web site. This pair do not seem to work well with my system, so i will get the new production model sold on there web site and try again.
I wasnt aware of that. And I'm suprised. I thought KL was keeping the same models as the released prototypes to avoid exactly this sort of confusion. If the prototype was different to the same model number sold on the site I wouldnt have thought KL or Rawl would have let them out for home trials.
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onthebeach, it must be something relatively minor or simple :) Minor confusion and just a bit of time ... all good :)
I remember you posting that they weren't sufficiently burned in when you listened to them but you still liked them very much, even more than the gZero6 ICs ... so, all good :)
Have you listened to another pair of gZero10 ICs since then?
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But your system is disassembled, not too worry and all good :)
I'm very happy to check them out, when the system is back up and running in its new home, if the demo 10's are still around in due course?
It does take me a bit of time to dial the system in to a new room. We'll see.
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onthebeach, it must be something relatively minor or simple :) Minor confusion and just a bit of time ... all good :)
I remember you posting that they weren't sufficiently burned in when you listened to them but you still liked them very much, even more than the gZero6 ICs ... so, all good :)
Have you listened to another pair of gZero10 ICs since then?
Hey Ping
Yes on my system the 10's were clearly better but my system isnt the quality of SG's system. I've just bought a pair of used KL 80's which were a prototype that Rawl had in his system for quite sometime. Again they sound much better than the 10's in my system although I havent had much time with them yet.
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Guys months ago i tied the standard KLEI gZero6 IC and as stated earlier... a great cable, great clarity, detail, amazing lack of noise, great warmth, and musicality. One small problem for me was a slight sameness to timbre. I am now trying the new more expensive 2 meter pair KLEI gZero10 IC interconnects. The trouble is these are a prototypes pair and not the same as the model sold on his web site. This pair does not seem to work well with my system, so I will get the new production model sold on there web site and try again.
stevenvalve, when will you be receiving the production KLEI gZero10 ICs :)
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KLEI have released gZero20 ICs... KLEI gZero20 ICs (http://kleinnovations.com/klei-gzero20-ic-review-by-steve-reeve-news/) KLEI gZero20 ICs (http://www.image99.net/blog/files/a809262aaaed0c57a9ee817add7869f9-64.html) :)
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There is a pattern emerging,,,,,,,
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Hey Ping
Yes on my system the 10's were clearly better but my system isn't the quality of SG's system. I've just bought a pair of used KL 80's which were a prototype that Rawl had in his system for quite sometime. Again they sound much better than the 10's in my system although I haven't had much time with them yet.
onthebeach, what are you enjoying about the KL 80's :)
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onthebeach, what are you enjoying about the KL 80's :)
Everything ;D
Finesse, micro detail, weight, presence, sound-stage, feeling, realism, involvement, enjoyment....all better .
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KLEI have released gZero20 ICs... KLEI gZero20 ICs (http://kleinnovations.com/klei-gzero20-ic-review-by-steve-reeve-news/) KLEI gZero20 ICs (http://www.image99.net/blog/files/a809262aaaed0c57a9ee817add7869f9-64.html) :)
I have some coming. Will be interested to see how they compare to my Kondo LPz and Yamamura Millennium 6000.
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I will be VERY INTERESTED to read your thoughts on this comparison...
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I had a good listen to most of the expensive Louis Eichmann interconnect cables at the get together, and at the same time returned my loan set to check if they had any problems, and indeed they sure did, they just did not sound right here, and on hearing them Keith Eichmann feels they are faulty. The interesting thing about Keith's interconnect cables is they have a sound, lets call it the Eichmann sound. The different models do have a house sound, and the unique ability to make average systems shine, they are a cable that will please, and very few will be disappointed. I must say they have a lot to like particularly warmth, liquidity, blackness, and the lack of grain that helps to promote a very low noise floor, the latter in particular is what sets them apart from others, how it manages this is open for debate.
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Incidentally, what do you folks recommend for chassis mount (i.e., female) RCA connectors? I'm surprised that KLE isn't making them... are the ETI ones still favoured?
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Incidentally, what do you folks recommend for chassis mount (i.e., female) RCA connectors? I'm surprised that KLE isn't making them... are the ETI ones still favoured?
Hi rab,
WBT 0210-Cu RCA "Next Gen" is favoured (see http://www.partsconnexion.com/product9725.html). For the budget conscious, the ETI (see http://www.partsconnexion.com/product1878.html) is a great option.
Cheers,
Will
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WBT 0210-Cu RCA "Next Gen" is favoured (see http://www.partsconnexion.com/product9725.html). For the budget conscious, the ETI (see http://www.partsconnexion.com/product1878.html) is a great option.
Thanks Will. For the even more budget conscious, has anyone tried the CMC 805F? Allegedly gold plated copper @ US$13 per pair.