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General HIFI => Cables => Topic started by: ozmillsy on September 07, 2010, 10:05:39 PM
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Following the success of my first attempt at a DIY power cable (Click (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1370915/Audio/diy_power.JPG)), I decided I wanted to make one with some better connectors.
The bits I've chosen for this cable are:
* Clipsal Power Plug 1439SHD - $6 from my local L&H
* Chinese IEC plug with red copper connectors - $15 from Ebay (Click (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1370915/Audio/Interconnects/DSCN0048.JPG))
* Double insulated wire from Bunnings - $0.90c/m (Click (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1370915/Audio/Interconnects/DSCN0045.JPG))
* WBT solder (only used on power plug end)
* Aluminium foil
* Glitzy mesh - $3
* Ferrite ring - Jaycar, cant remember how much, came in a pack of 4.
The power cable is about 1.5m long.
Assembly pics....
Braiding (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1370915/Audio/Interconnects/pc_braided.JPG) - not that tight.
Shielding (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1370915/Audio/Interconnects/pc_foil.JPG) - connected to ground on the power plug
As stated, I could only solder the power plug end. The IEC plug couldnt be opened up to do any soldering, I had to feed the cable into holes and screw it tight. I dont like that, I prefer to solder. Probably doesnt make a difference ??? , it just makes me feel good to solder it. :P
The double insulated wire was thick, and it was a challenge to get the power plug cover over the braiding, but with abit of patience it went on. The foil was another headache, I needed to use teflon tape, at the power plug end, in order to get the cover on without tearing the foil.
And the finished product......
(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1370915/Audio/Interconnects/pc_finished.JPG)
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wow thats the business,no think how many other wires you can try.also try it on your subs
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wow thats the business,no think how many other wires you can try.also try it on your subs
Yeah, looks nice huh. That mesh gives it a good look I reckon.
The subs, yeah thats the reason I made this one. I have my 2 x DIY white power cables now driving the subs, and the new glitzy powering the killerdac.
Fark me, the bass sounds cleaner. You were right mate.
I'll be doing some more, but I'll be using some Clipsal IEC plugs (Click (http://updates.clipsal.com/ClipsalOnline/ProductInformation.aspx?searchMode=group&first=10&skip=23&code=20303&level=4)), I dont like these chinese jobs. I want to solder 'em.
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I have a pair of Diy power cable that are doing nothing while my amps are off getting fixed AGAIN if you want to try them?
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wow thats the business,no think how many other wires you can try.also try it on your subs
Yeah, looks nice huh. That mesh gives it a good look I reckon.
The subs, yeah thats the reason I made this one. I have my 2 x original white power cables now driving the subs, and the new glitzy powering the killerdac.
Fark me, the bass sounds cleaner. You were right mate.
I'll be doing some more, but I'll be using some Clipsal IEC plugs (Click (http://updates.clipsal.com/ClipsalOnline/ProductInformation.aspx?searchMode=group&first=10&skip=23&code=20303&level=4)), I dont like these chinese jobs. I want to solder 'em.
your addicted to soldering fumes ;)
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I have a pair of Diy power cable that are doing nothing while my amps are off getting fixed AGAIN if you want to try them?
Sorry for the mix up, my white ones are diy cables. I'll be right, but thanks for the offer.
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your addicted to soldering fumes ;)
Yes, I am. 8)
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Spent the last few days making up new power cables for everything.
Like you Oz I used the jaycar IEC's , quite like these , easy to work with and good clamping pressure on the pins.
Used 15amp mains cable , stranded at this stage and ordinary mains plugs.
All terminations screwed and soldered in place.
Another nice improvement.
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another cable for people to try i have used this cable and my friends still use it.remeber what works on my system doesnt mean it will work on yours.its a combination of parts that will create synergy.
http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=100-574
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Spent the last few days making up new power cables for everything.
Like you Oz I used the jaycar IEC's , quite like these , easy to work with and good clamping pressure on the pins.
Used 15amp mains cable , stranded at this stage and ordinary mains plugs.
All terminations screwed and soldered in place.
Another nice improvement.
this is only the begining oscal so many cables to try
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Like you Oz I used the jaycar IEC's , quite like these , easy to work with and good clamping pressure on the pins.
Yep, I'm happy with the Jaycar IEC's, but I've ordered some Clipsal 465CTR iec's, will post my opinion of them when they arrive.
The 1mm solid core copper wire from Bunnings is working well for me for power cables, it makes a noticable change. Worth a try, to see what it does for you on your system. I'm currently using it with the Dac and subs.
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DIY power cord looks a beauty ozmilly. Surely an overall improvement over standard computer cable. Yet Earle and ZB still firmly believe it is my equipment that is poorly designed if I can hear differences in power cables. :)
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I was skeptical. But we tried 3 different power cables into a cheap power supply powering a belcanto cd. My untrained ears could easily hear the difference. I wouldn't pay the $3500 of the last one we tried but it as still a fantastic exercise. Well worth doing. As for the only working in poorly designed gear I don't know. Would love to try the same thing in one of earles time machines.
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I was skeptical. But we tried 3 different power cables into a cheap power supply powering a belcanto cd. My untrained ears could easily hear the difference. I wouldn't pay the $3500 of the last one we tried but it as still a fantastic exercise. Well worth doing. As for the only working in poorly designed gear I don't know. Would love to try the same thing in one of earles time machines.
i have tried a power cable in earls topaz amp and it also makes a diffrence.
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I've made 2 more today, for my SGR amps (active speaker plateamps).
Placebo effect could be in play, but the music is giving me chills after installing them...... ;D 8)
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Nothing wrong with the placebo effect! As long as it gets you listening to more music!
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yeah, the interesting thing about the placebo effect (belief affecting perceptions), is it can cut both ways.
if you dont believe that changing power cables can possibly make a difference, then there is a good chance you'll never hear a difference.
I can understand technicians that dismiss it. [shrugs]
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The difference I heard was deffinate. I just want to know how it was built now so I can make a $50 version rather than 3500! Very visually impressive power cable. Thick enough to beat whales to death.
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another cable for people to try i have used this cable and my friends still use it.remeber what works on my system doesnt mean it will work on yours.its a combination of parts that will create synergy.
http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=100-574
Thanks for the link Mario.
I am starting to think about the power side of my rig (still need to get a dedicated line put in).
The referenced cable could be a good starting point for me to have some cables made. Do you recall what diameter this stuff is. I cant find any reference. Trying to figure out if the clipsal plugs (Clipsal 465CTR & 1439SHD will fit).
Is there anybody else in Perth interested in this cable? Parts Express have a minimum order value of $50US to ship internationally (Have not figured out how much freight is yet). 2 x 25ft is about $52. I can use 1 x 25ft (about 8m) but need someone who wants a second reel, or something else from there worth more the $25us.
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murray you will be able to use clipsal plugs with that cable easily.(letting too many secrets out now)
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and for those that are looking for class something better then a clipsal (i have a set)
http://www.avgallery.com.au/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=shop.flypage&product_id=96&category_id=10&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=1&vmcchk=1&Itemid=1
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murray you will be able to use clipsal plugs with that cable easily.(letting too many secrets out now)
Thanks Mario,
Keep them flowing :D
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for people that would like their diy cables look preety and elegent with a touch of class.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=360157908423&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT
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for people that would like their diy cables look preety and elegent with a touch of class.
Looks good. I'll give that a try. Will save me using aluminium foil for shielding.
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Finally, the Clipsal 465CTR iec plugs arrived today. Took ages for L&H to get them in for me. $12ea, I picked up 6.
Very happy with the quality, and these iec plugs gave me the flexibility to solder up the wires to the connectors, which makes me feel better than the chinese bolt ons.
Here is how my glitzy power cable looks after this latest (final) change........
(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1370915/Audio/Interconnects/DSCN0087.JPG)
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Mate they look the goods! Be interesting to see what you think of them
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DIY power cord looks a beauty ozmilly. Surely an overall improvement over standard computer cable. Yet Earle and ZB still firmly believe it is my equipment that is poorly designed if I can hear differences in power cables. :)
Tuyen
I can lend you some power cables to try, Oz 3 pin to IEC. You will almost certainly hear the difference with the resoloution you have. Start with the DAC and transport, then the Power amp and pre. I have played with mains cables for more years than I'd care to admit at one point selling them to club members for bear money. You should be able to hear further into the mix with a cleaner tighter bass, highs can loose some stridency too. As these are my own versions without the tiffany price tag I am not wanten to put the dafty IMHO. You have good ears to be this far down the path already. I can show you how to make them and what gauge / wire to use or you can always go out and blow $$$$$ on a shop bought RO.
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for people that would like their diy cables look preety and elegent with a touch of class.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=360157908423&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=360157908423&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT)
Just an update on this sleeving stuff, the above chrome techflex stuff was flimsy and not much chop. But the following recommendation from Mario was simply superb.
just for you oz some nice shielding for your ic diy style
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320587148324 (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320587148324)
I have 4 different types of cable sleeving now, and this one is the best. The other 3 once stretched, stays stretched, and ends up with a looseness about the cable (see the blue cable I made earlier in this thread, there are areas where the sleeving is obviously loose).
This copper type sleeving has a little bit of elasticity to it, so if you feed it on carefully, it ends up looking nice and tight. Here is an example of another power cable I made up this morning using this sleeving......
(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1370915/Audio/Interconnects/DSCN0279.JPG)
(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1370915/Audio/Interconnects/DSCN0283.JPG)
I chose not to braid this one (the wires inside were left straight) because this cable needed to be pushed through a tight hole. Which is why it looks alot thinner in these pics than the blue power cable. It sounds just as good to my ears, I'm tempted to leave all my future power cables unbraided, as it ends up looking rather smick like this.
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I was wondering if you would think that braiding contributed anything to the results.
Seems not, be interested if you change your mind on that.
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I was wondering if you would think that braiding contributed anything to the results.
Seems not, be interested if you change your mind on that.
I should do a proper comparison, 2 cables identically made in every way - 1 braided, the other not. I'll do that sometime.
This latest one seems to have the same "character" as the other power cables I've made from this bunnings wire.
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I was wondering if you would think that braiding contributed anything to the results.
Seems not, be interested if you change your mind on that.
I should do a proper comparison, 2 cables identically made in every way - 1 braided, the other not. I'll do that sometime.
This latest one seems to have the same "character" as the other power cables I've made from this bunnings wire.
a few years back i made silver speaker cables from the same batch of silver wire one was braided the other was not the braided one had more body in the sound this only applies to speakers cables.
have fun people
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http://www.dtvforum.info/index.php?showtopic=92538&st=960
had some fun on dtv forum regarding BLACK MAGIC POWER CHORDS
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http://www.dtvforum.info/index.php?showtopic=92538&st=960
had some fun on dtv forum regarding BLACK MAGIC POWER CHORDS
Yeah that thread is pretty funny when you read back through it. So many armchair experts that don't have a clue what they are talking about. We tried to help but in the end the keyboard warriors just want to argue, and aren't trying to learn anything at all.......
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Well I don't really see myself as being on a side Drizt TBH. I am not a big fan of people that simply want to argue and don't really understand the subject that they are arguing about. Since you mention it though in this circumstance yes I feel I am right. This stuff (electrical engineering, specialising in E3) is my bread and butter so I feel pretty comfortable about what I know, and pretty sure of what some of the posters in that thread don't. I was attempting to help people understand and was having people (that freely admit they are not experts in this field) tell me that I was incorrect, had no electrical engineering theory to support me, and lacked perspective..... What conclusion would you draw if we were discussing something in your professional scope??
I have no problem with other people conducting blind testing on power cables. Indeed I am so sure about what I'm saying I would happily provide a demonstration myself and/or supply some of my own cables. I just don't wish to participate myself. As I explained in that thread I don't share your faith in blind testing when it comes to audio applications, I have developed my own way of evaluating system changes, a method that I am comfortable with and believe works for me. Unfortunately people like you are convinced that because this is not blind it is compromised by bias, and refuse to accept that there isn't some sinsiter, calculated reason for not wanting to participate in blind testing. I say if you want to conduct blind testing on anything then go right ahead, indeed I don't care one iota what you do, how you do it or what conclusions you draw.....I have no idea why I can't be granted the same courtesy.
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Drew, so you don't think you would pass a blind test?
It's easy to poke fun and laugh at people when they are not given the right of reply without their posts being deleted :)
I didn't say I wouldn't 'pass' a blind test. I said I don't have any interest in conducting one.
In what way did I poke fun at you.
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Not directed at me in general but you were using a broad brush to demean those who disagreed with you :)
If you could pass a blind test on this topic it would go a long way to educating the 'non believers'. I don't know why you would not do it if you were positive you could pass it. Very strange indeed.
I can't be bothered with this dritz, you take posts and quote them out of context, I didn't demean those that disagreed with me. I said that some of of the people posting in that thread don't have a clue what they are talking about, that's not demeaning imo it's a statement of fact.
I took the time to post a real answer to your question and all you can do is attempt to corner me about blind testing which is the point I was making....... Why do you have such an agenda with blind testing.......has it ever occured to you (even for a second) that maybe you are not right about everything?
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;D ;D
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http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=310103099220&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT
Anyone tried this stuff ?
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Pics of my latest power cable creation.....
Pic1: Soldered up to 3 pin aussie clipsal plug, heat shrink for added protection,
(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1370915/Audio/Interconnects/DSCN0288.JPG)
Pic2: Aluminium foil shielding, shunted to ground on the 3 pin plug, fiddly job that,
(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1370915/Audio/Interconnects/DSCN0290.JPG)
Pic3: Finished cable, with the copper based sheathing and ferrite magnet, far too sexy 8) :-* ;D
(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1370915/Audio/Interconnects/diy_power_cable.JPG)
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Pics of my latest power cable creation.....
Pic1: Soldered up to 3 pin aussie clipsal plug, heat shrink for added protection,
(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1370915/Audio/Interconnects/DSCN0288.JPG)
Pic2: Aluminium foil shielding, shunted to ground on the 3 pin plug, fiddly job that,
(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1370915/Audio/Interconnects/DSCN0290.JPG)
Pic3: Finished cable, with the copper based sheathing and ferrite magnet, far too sexy 8) :-* ;D
(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1370915/Audio/Interconnects/diy_power_cable.JPG)
very impressive oz i really admire you dedication to power
just imagine you bring it to steves house and it pisses on his
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very impressive oz i really admire you dedication to power
just imagine you bring it to steves house and it pisses on his
LOL, I dont think so mate. He's got better ferrite magnets than my Jaycar cheapy.
The only thing mine has, is the copper sheathing skin (that you gave me the tip on), and you know it's not just cosmetic, the freaking thing conducts !! But there is bugger all EM interferance up our way to worry about.
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ha.. mine are the pissy jaycar as well .. where can i get the BIG ferrite rings?
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ha.. mine are the pissy jaycar as well .. where can i get the BIG ferrite rings?
Steven told me once (some place in Sydney), but I didnt write it down. [doh] I'll ask him again, next time I see him.
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Steven told me once (some place in Sydney), but I didnt write it down. [doh] I'll ask him again, next time I see him.
That is the clipsal power plug you mentioned early in the thread? I wonder if I can get my mate to order that for me... Will check.... That's not for sale to the public in general?
Nice of you to offer the cable to the DTV community...
BTW. I've tried the noise test (mentioned in DTV) again last night and it was quite bad. Then I poured a bucket of pond water around the earth spike and that dropped the noise right back down to the levels after the power cable swap..
This is my craziest tweak yet... :p
Wondering if it's because the earth stake didn't go deep enough... :( Or due to Perth's extremely dry weather. hmmm..
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Earth stakes..........
Yes most properties appear to only have a single stake. This might meet codes on the day its installed but from the next week onwards its all going downhill fast. Because most people who do not live in the hills only have sand for their homes to rest upon the quality of grounding is very poor. I have a series of ground spikes all tied in together and watered when ever I remember. My outdoor office has its own ground system too and here I do the old roadies trick of peeing on the earth stake daily (not whilst anyone is in earshot and the bushes cover the being seen element)! ;)
Resistance to earth should be low, trouble is, your neighbours earth is likely to be naff and if yours is super good then you could have thier earth currents flowing back via you excellent ground, damn! :'(
The DIY mains cable with the copper screen should be sleeved, any shorts to live or neutral could be very nasty indeed and the insurance would walk away rapidly. Mains plugs are not fused here in Oz and if you've got dodgy old fuses then its good by Vienna........ :o
Get your self a nice 10Kva balanced isolation transformer to feed the audio and 10mm thick earth bonding with screening, now your talking low background hash and fuzz, or better still have a bank of batteries the size of a small shed c/w an invertor.....think you are a dedicated audiophile yet? :P
V
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The only thing mine has, is the copper sheathing skin (that you gave me the tip on), and you know it's not just cosmetic, the freaking thing conducts !! But there is bugger all EM interferance up our way to worry about.
What...no EM radaition up your way, the whole globe is infested with the damn stuff. Don't you have a moo-bile phone?
It's bad enough with the Russians blocking all the really low frequencies....HF hash is all around us, radio, TV, Microwaves, you'd have to be in Alaska or Antartica to be free of all the normal junk. IMO :) Did you not make the 'crystal set' whilst at school? a wet piece of string would conduct a signal let alone hi res audio systems with their myriad of spagehitte wires. :o
There are some who beleive in no screening and there are some who live in the 21st century, your milage may vary.
V
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Earth stakes..........
Yes most properties appear to only have a single stake. This might meet codes on the day its installed but from the next week onwards its all going downhill fast. Because most people who do not live in the hills only have sand for their homes to rest upon the quality of grounding is very poor. I have a series of ground spikes all tied in together and watered when ever I remember. My outdoor office has its own ground system too and here I do the old roadies trick of peeing on the earth stake daily (not whilst anyone is in earshot and the bushes cover the being seen element)! ;)
Yeah it's sand :(... Mine has 2.. one to the pipes, and one to the ground... Can't really pee in that spot (open area to main roads).. :p
Resistance to earth should be low, trouble is, your neighbours earth is likely to be naff and if yours is super good then you could have thier earth currents flowing back via you excellent ground, damn! :'(
Hmm. Never thought of that. But all the water should have dried up by now.. Wondering if it's ok to put water crystals or mulch that area up..
The DIY mains cable with the copper screen should be sleeved, any shorts to live or neutral could be very nasty indeed and the insurance would walk away rapidly. Mains plugs are not fused here in Oz and if you've got dodgy old fuses then its good by Vienna........ :o
Wouldn't the RCD kick in? Hmm. Seems a good idea to sleeve it then. Is there a reason not to?
Get your self a nice 10Kva balanced isolation transformer to feed the audio and 10mm thick earth bonding with screening, now your talking low background hash and fuzz, or better still have a bank of batteries the size of a small shed c/w an invertor.....think you are a dedicated audiophile yet? :P
I'm still a noob.. A long long way to go yet before I reach audiophile status.. :lol:
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Hi Treblid ;D
Yes anything you can do to keep the soil moist around the earth stake(s) is good. (dripping taps are too expensive if you are paying the bill) I would also check the connection has not badly oxidised (rusted - corroded) as cheaper earth stakes are steel cored with a copper cladding. I have the connections on mine covered in self amalgemating tape to exclude moisture and air, that way the connection does not start to break down once made. There is usually a tally plate where the WA registered electrician stamps his number, thus meeting local regs for its implementation and testing.
RCD - residual current devices, hmmm depends on make and sensititiy, they measure an imbalance between the live and neutral from memory, unlike the ELCB which measures the leakage to earth. If you have to ask about having potentially 'live' screens on mains hook ups never mind the RCD KICKING IN - I will have to come round and kick your arse personnaly real hard. :'( Message understood? Yes it should be insulated and you are more than likely breaking some paper shuffling beaurocrats rules regarding mains feeds! ::)
The cheapest mains feed upgrade is to buy a rubber insulated 30 amp cable usually destined to run a higher current load industrially, its quite and ear opener what this simple and cheap change can make, trying to make you own cables is fine for interconnects and speaker feeds but when dicking around with mains voltages things start to get serious very quickly indeed and the potential consequences do not bear thinking about. Please take this in the manner in which its intended! ;D
V
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The DIY mains cable with the copper screen should be sleeved, any shorts to live or neutral could be very nasty indeed and the insurance would walk away rapidly. Mains plugs are not fused here in Oz and if you've got dodgy old fuses then its good by Vienna........ :o
There's a fair amount of insulation. The copper wires have double insulation to begin with, and then I add heatshrink around the 3 wires. I cant imagine the wire ever breaking through those layers.
But you can never be too careful I guess, something spiking through the sleeve into the A/N wire would be an issue. Probably best to just have the foil shielding, and another layer of heatshrink around it.
I can add clear heatshrink to this one, to safeguard it, while retaining the glitzy appearance.
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What...no EM radaition up your way, the whole globe is infested with the damn stuff.
V, I said "bugger all" which is very different to "none".
I imagine Sydney city slickers suffer far more EM contamination, than I cop up here in the sticks.
That said, I still take the time to shield my cables.
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Steven told me once (some place in Sydney), but I didnt write it down. [doh] I'll ask him again, next time I see him.
That is the clipsal power plug you mentioned early in the thread? I wonder if I can get my mate to order that for me... Will check.... That's not for sale to the public in general?
Hang on, are we talking magnets or plugs?
The clipsal plugs can be ordered easily via any L&H store. I use the 1439SHD 3 pin plug, and the 465CTR iec connector. They have nice brass connectors on the A/N, and easy access to solder the wires on.
The ferrite magnets are another story.
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I've been doing testing of the various types of sleeving (I have 5 types), and this is the only 1 that conducts ! It's caught me by surprise.
Even more interesting, is that I have 2 types of sleeving that is copper coloured. Both from the same Ebay seller, but in different diameters. The smaller size doesnt conduct, this one does.
This is a lesson learned, to always check the sleeving. I wont be using this conductive type for any other power cords.
The sleeving is only supposed to be cosmetic.
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http://www.asa.org.uk/ASA-action/Adjudications/2011/1/Russ-Andrews-Accessories-Ltd/TF_ADJ_49597.aspx
interesting read
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Yes interesting indeed Mario. ;D
So some one took exception to the advertising and had an 'expert' come up with the answers.
These are the same people who claim a resistor is a resistor and all amps sound the same????
Russ Andrews cables are not screened from memory and not plaited tight; using only live and neutral is not a good remedy either. Common mode chokes and LC filters will help as long as they do not kill off the current delivery too much. Some like them, others do not.
I can say that Russ Andrews cable improves on the rubbish that comes with the kit at a premium, but that's how he is still in business after many years unlike others who did not charge 'flash' prices. :'(
V
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* Clipsal Power Plug 1439SHD - $6 from my local L&H
Anybody knows where to buy this in perth? From L&H? Do all L&H stock this?
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* Clipsal Power Plug 1439SHD - $6 from my local L&H
Anybody knows where to buy this in perth? From L&H? Do all L&H stock this?
They may not stock it, but they can all order them in for you.
Ringing them is the way to go. Quote the product code.
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They may not stock it, but they can all order them in for you.
Ringing them is the way to go. Quote the product code.
Will do, thanks..
I'm hoping to just order it online and be done with it... Google couldn't turn up anything... :(
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They may not stock it, but they can all order them in for you.
Ringing them is the way to go. Quote the product code.
Will do, thanks..
I'm hoping to just order it online and be done with it... Google couldn't turn up anything... :(
Treblid some clypsal plugs have 15 amp earth plugs (which i think the hd stands for heavy duty) do your research i have some here for 10amp power points
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Treblid some clypsal plugs have 15 amp earth plugs (which i think the hd stands for heavy duty) do your research i have some here for 10amp power points
Where did you get them from? IIRC the 1439SHD is 10A...
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Treblid some clypsal plugs have 15 amp earth plugs (which i think the hd stands for heavy duty) do your research i have some here for 10amp power points
Where did you get them from? IIRC the 1439SHD is 10A...
That's right, they are 10amp. There isn't much difference between the hd and non-hd. The ground is a different type of metal on the hd from memory. Will check this later.
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I'll add this DIY cable to my list of "To Do's"
The list just gets bigger and bigger ::)
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This will help shortening your "To Do" list....http://www.merlincables.com/index.php?app=gbu0&ns=prodshow&ref=dragonmains and making your bank balance smaller too!!! ;D
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:o
I'll stay with my list I think :D
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I made a couple of these over the weekend (bunnings 1mm solid core and cheap connectors, no aluminium foil and no ferrite ring cause I didn't have much time).
Have only tried these in my brothers speaker system so far hooked up to transport and DAC, and was a real nice improvement. Will be checking them out in my headphone setup through the week and comparing to some commercial aftermarket cables, I've got a LOT of different combinations to try now.
Had the same feeling walking into Bunnings the other day as I would walking into a hi-fi store or great record store ;D. Loving this DIY stuff.
Will be trying different DIY power cables over the coming months. One thing the 1mm seems a tad unsafe cause it breaks so easy when connecting it to connectors I'm going to try thicker solid core will make me feel a lot better.
Too much fun this is starting to take over everything else in my life :P
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I made a couple of these over the weekend (bunnings 1mm solid core and cheap connectors, no aluminium foil and no ferrite ring cause I didn't have much time).
Have only tried these in my brothers speaker system so far hooked up to transport and DAC, and was a real nice improvement. Will be checking them out in my headphone setup through the week and comparing to some commercial aftermarket cables, I've got a LOT of different combinations to try now.
Had the same feeling walking into Bunnings the other day as I would walking into a hi-fi store or great record store ;D. Loving this DIY stuff.
Will be trying different DIY power cables over the coming months. One thing the 1mm seems a tad unsafe cause it breaks so easy when connecting it to connectors I'm going to try thicker solid core will make me feel a lot better.
Too much fun this is starting to take over everything else in my life :P
Be careful using thicker gauge solid core cable, that will change the sound, and may end up too thick and full, sometimes i offset the solid core with the same cable type, thick gauge multistrand for the earth. PS, use the screws to clamp it, then solder the plugs on. Better sound.
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Multistrand for earth is a great idea. Yeah I kinda thought thicker gauge would do that to the sound but was going to experiment anyway cause I wasn't sure, maybe now I'll save my time. I found similar effects from solid core ic's I was playing around with, I started thicker and went thinner till I found the right gauge (ended up going .25), but, that is for my headphone rig, I'm going to repeat the process with IC's for my speakers.
Thanks for the tip Steven :). I have no problem with 1mm solid core PC's I just disconnect when not using. My brother though, leaves DAC and transport on 24/7 so not so safe if a wire does break or crack or whatever, he may have to go with multistrand for source equipment. I'll have a chat with him he's a pretty cluey techie so we'll come to some conclusion, some way around it, I'm sure.
Haven't soldered yet, but do plan to, and plan on some better connectors too.
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Multistrand for earth is a great idea. Yeah I kinda thought thicker gauge would do that to the sound but was going to experiment anyway cause I wasn't sure, maybe now I'll save my time. I found similar effects from solid core ic's I was playing around with, I started thicker and went thinner till I found the right gauge (ended up going .25), but, that is for my headphone rig, I'm going to repeat the process with IC's for my speakers.
Thanks for the tip Steven :). I have no problem with 1mm solid core PC's I just disconnect when not using. My brother though, leaves DAC and transport on 24/7 so not so safe if a wire does break or crack or whatever, he may have to go with multistrand for source equipment. I'll have a chat with him he's a pretty cluey techie so we'll come to some conclusion, some way around it, I'm sure.
Haven't soldered yet, but do plan to, and plan on some better connectors too.
I use old connectors, 1930s/40s /50s only the ones made with copper insides and plug leads, hard to find perfect ones. The new plugs made today are junk. Use copper.
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Yeah I'm sticking with copper where ever possible. The Furutech etc. get expensive, but, there is a way around everything.
Listened to these cables last night in my system with phones. Wow terrific stuff, everything improved, and so CLEAN. More than enough to keep me happy till I plan my next move, not bad for $55. 8)
I also cut the figure 8 connector off the end of a cheap cable and connected it to an external IEC plug. I'm using this as a small adapter for putting a good cable into my CDP/transport until I open the player up and install a proper IEC in a few weeks time. Worked better than I imagined.
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I made a couple of these over the weekend (bunnings 1mm solid core and cheap connectors, no aluminium foil and no ferrite ring cause I didn't have much time).
Have only tried these in my brothers speaker system so far hooked up to transport and DAC, and was a real nice improvement. Will be checking them out in my headphone setup through the week and comparing to some commercial aftermarket cables, I've got a LOT of different combinations to try now.
Had the same feeling walking into Bunnings the other day as I would walking into a hi-fi store or great record store ;D. Loving this DIY stuff.
Will be trying different DIY power cables over the coming months. One thing the 1mm seems a tad unsafe cause it breaks so easy when connecting it to connectors I'm going to try thicker solid core will make me feel a lot better.
Too much fun this is starting to take over everything else in my life :P
i used to visit elecrtical wholesalers for wire it was like disneyland
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I had a 5m cat cable break the other day, so I used it to make a power cable. I heard 1 made from cat cable up at Steven's and it was very good.
So I start stripping the twisted pair wires, and found it was multi strand, which took me by surprise. I was under the impression cat cables were all a fine gauge solid core on each wire.
Anyway, I continued on. By the time I stripped off the wires on each end, and twisted the bare wire together, it ended up being a freaking thick bundle of copper. I used a full cat cable twisted together for positive, and also negative, And then I used bunnings multistrand ground wire for ground. All wires platted. No shielding at this point.
The end result is a good sounding power cable. I'll have to make 1 the same way from the solid core type of cat cable.
I also bought a power cable with Furutech gold connectors on each end (au type). This cable cost me a little, those connectors aren't cheap. But it sounds very very good. I'll post some pics shortly.
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Sorry to keep dragging this on but it's so interesting. I have 3 homemade solid cores, one eichman experss PC, and a Harmonix Studio Master which I picked up for well under half price used. The Harmonix is 4m-4.5m (hard to measure) multi strand, and I use in the DAC. Now, with all 4 other cables in the system, the Harmonix + DAC combo sounds like sh!t. The sound is just too big, puts everything out of wack the musicians sound out of tune and time!, soundstage shrinks, bass out of control. So I've changed some things around took it out of the wall and put in the power outlet, better but still too big, now it works best feeding my power outlet (til I mod my transport and I'll try it with that). PC's make no difference?? :o ???I have to match these as I do all other equipment.
My brother comes over last night with a variety of multi-strand cable from the wholesalers, and were gonna do a lot of experimenting. Going to try Carol, Beldon etc. So like ozmillsy, we'll make some different styles and play around a bit.
Oh, BTW the Studio Master has Wattgate and Furutech connectors (who those who are interested).
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http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Yarbo-GY-8000PW-Audiophile-Power-Cable-Cord-Per-1M-/220736507349?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3364ebcdd5
they come in different configurations i use one on my cd transport
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Interesting stuff guy's.
I use my power drill to make up twisted pairs or twisted pair plus earth for power cables . Saves a lot of time .
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So I start stripping the twisted pair wires, and found it was multi strand, which took me by surprise. I was under the impression cat cables were all a fine gauge solid core on each wire.
There are two types of UTP - solid core for in wall and long distance run, and multistrand for patch cables (short run from patch panel to routers/switches/etc)... Reason for stranded coz patch leads are short so signal loss isn't a problem, and the flexibility to twist and turn is desirable in small areas.. Stranded cable is actually pretty hard to buy in bulk, or at least I couldn't find them the last time I looked when I wired up my place.
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Yarbo-GY-8000PW-Audiophile-Power-Cable-Cord-Per-1M-/220736507349?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3364ebcdd5
they come in different configurations i use one on my cd transport
You like them? These are the cables I'm gonna try next when I have time..