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Re: great amps on the web
« Reply #20 on: December 13, 2011, 02:16:36 AM »
http://www.audiofederation.com/dealership/prices/lamm/index.htm

The ML2.2 is an 18 watt single-ended triode tube amplifier legendary in its ability to please the listener. Changes from the previous ML2.1 are that the fuse is now easily accessible and on top of the amp (instead of inside), more air, more naturalness and slightly more color in he midrange - and it is also slightly more expensive.

 $37,190.00/pair

look at the picture can you see $37k    fcuk me how can an amp be so much money
Oh dear me  :-X

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« Reply #21 on: December 13, 2011, 03:30:57 AM »
http://www.audiofederation.com/dealership/prices/lamm/index.htm

The ML2.2 is an 18 watt single-ended triode tube amplifier legendary in its ability to please the listener. Changes from the previous ML2.1 are that the fuse is now easily accessible and on top of the amp (instead of inside), more air, more naturalness and slightly more color in he midrange - and it is also slightly more expensive.

 $37,190.00/pair

look at the picture can you see $37k    fcuk me how can an amp be so much money
Oh dear me  :-X

It's the CIRCUIT!  :P
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Re: great amps on the web
« Reply #22 on: December 28, 2011, 12:45:05 AM »
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« Reply #23 on: December 29, 2011, 01:19:10 AM »
It's the CIRCUIT!  :P





sure is jehunty take a look at this http://www.stereo.net.au/forums/showthread.php/42200-FS-ME850-Amplifier

 :o :o :o :o

The ML speakers would probably sound better with an accurate amp like the ME.

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« Reply #24 on: December 29, 2011, 03:37:37 AM »
It's the CIRCUIT!  :P





sure is jehunty take a look at this http://www.stereo.net.au/forums/showthread.php/42200-FS-ME850-Amplifier

 :o :o :o :o

The ML speakers would probably sound better with an accurate amp like the ME.
http://sgraudio.com.au/products/power_amplifiers/el30sv.html   this is accurate i am saving my $$$$$ hope to demo next month
« Last Edit: December 29, 2011, 03:39:51 AM by kajak12 »
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« Reply #25 on: December 29, 2011, 11:01:34 AM »
Say what M ???
Transistors :o :o :o And there was me thinking you are a dyed in the wool valve man!
5W of class A should be nice.

I note there were no power outputs or damping factors in the spec sheet which appear some what remiss for a commertial design.  :-X
The front panel and aggressive heat sinks make it a love or hate asthetics, ohh and there's the $5900 price tag so it's aiming at your second and third tier buyers. ::)

I take it you've heard it??? or is this the first audition? ;)
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« Reply #26 on: December 29, 2011, 11:30:28 AM »
Say what M ???
Transistors :o :o :o And there was me thinking you are a dyed in the wool valve man!
5W of class A should be nice.

I note there were no power outputs or damping factors in the spec sheet which appear some what remiss for a commertial design.  :-X
The front panel and aggressive heat sinks make it a love or hate asthetics, ohh and there's the $5900 price tag so it's aiming at your second and third tier buyers. ::)

I take it you've heard it??? or is this the first audition? ;)
V ;D

VTV

Agreed, an interesting choice for mr kajak - I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't like it. For subs should be great though.

WRT DF, spec says >1000. Also is specced to drive 2ohms. Distortion is specced at 0.001%.

What do the above numbers mean?

The amp uses a ton of feedback, that's for sure, to acheive the high DF and low distortion.
Traditionally, lot's of feedback will give a sonic signature that is, lean, clean and very SS sounding.

So  far I haven't been able to get a very high feedback SS design to sound really listenable for the long term.
Spent the last 2 years on a super low distortion high FB design that was eventually put on the shelf.

Generally, they initially impress with lots of detail + resolution but after a while you get fatigued. I think this
is like the Halcro amps. A lot of people bought them but I believe many sold them after a period.
 
My latest zen amp goes back to old school and uses -no- feedback anywhere / is completely open loop. Input to output.
I've been testing one channel on the bench and results are interesting. Where as the open loop design will make more
distortion than a high FB design, it has other attributes that are pretty impressive. Bandwidth goes out to 1MHz (without RF
filters). It also clips much like a valve guitar amp, super smooth and rounded, no nasties at all.

I'd be interested to hear Marios opinion on the SGS.

cheers

T
« Last Edit: December 29, 2011, 11:36:16 AM by zenelectro »

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« Reply #27 on: December 29, 2011, 04:11:01 PM »
Say what M ???
Transistors :o :o :o And there was me thinking you are a dyed in the wool valve man!
5W of class A should be nice.

I note there were no power outputs or damping factors in the spec sheet which appear some what remiss for a commertial design.  :-X
The front panel and aggressive heat sinks make it a love or hate asthetics, ohh and there's the $5900 price tag so it's aiming at your second and third tier buyers. ::)

I take it you've heard it??? or is this the first audition? ;)
V ;D
yes heard at the audio show with illuminator speakers just look at sgr website with msb dac/transport most expensive worst system i heard to date i am sure others will agree
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« Reply #28 on: December 29, 2011, 04:14:26 PM »
Say what M ???
Transistors :o :o :o And there was me thinking you are a dyed in the wool valve man!
5W of class A should be nice.

I note there were no power outputs or damping factors in the spec sheet which appear some what remiss for a commertial design.  :-X
The front panel and aggressive heat sinks make it a love or hate asthetics, ohh and there's the $5900 price tag so it's aiming at your second and third tier buyers. ::)

I take it you've heard it??? or is this the first audition? ;)
V ;D

VTV

Agreed, an interesting choice for mr kajak - I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't like it. For subs should be great though.

WRT DF, spec says >1000. Also is specced to drive 2ohms. Distortion is specced at 0.001%.

What do the above numbers mean?

The amp uses a ton of feedback, that's for sure, to acheive the high DF and low distortion.
Traditionally, lot's of feedback will give a sonic signature that is, lean, clean and very SS sounding.

So  far I haven't been able to get a very high feedback SS design to sound really listenable for the long term.
Spent the last 2 years on a super low distortion high FB design that was eventually put on the shelf.

Generally, they initially impress with lots of detail + resolution but after a while you get fatigued. I think this
is like the Halcro amps. A lot of people bought them but I believe many sold them after a period.
 
My latest zen amp goes back to old school and uses -no- feedback anywhere / is completely open loop. Input to output.
I've been testing one channel on the bench and results are interesting. Where as the open loop design will make more
distortion than a high FB design, it has other attributes that are pretty impressive. Bandwidth goes out to 1MHz (without RF
filters). It also clips much like a valve guitar amp, super smooth and rounded, no nasties at all.

I'd be interested to hear Marios opinion on the SGS.

cheers

T
heard the amps at the show 10 amps to big speakers and msb running with them over 160k worth sounded like hifi (radio turned up)
no timbre,texture,colour bland and boring
terry you need a valve amp :P
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Re: great amps on the web
« Reply #29 on: December 29, 2011, 05:54:03 PM »
I thought they sounded poor at the hifi show myself Mario.  But I'm smart enough not to judge a system based on a hifi show ;)

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« Reply #30 on: December 29, 2011, 05:56:05 PM »
http://sgraudio.com.au/products/power_amplifiers/el30sv.html   this is accurate i am saving my $$$$$ hope to demo next month

Are you really demo'ing it?  If so, why?  You already have said you thought they sounded horrible at the show, and you are one to draw a conclusion from a listen at an audio show...... so why?  Could it be so you can start rubbishing the brand more and confirm you strong bias of .. has to be valves, has to have dueland capacitors, has to be point to point ....etc... rubbish ?

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« Reply #31 on: December 29, 2011, 05:56:52 PM »
I thought they sounded poor at the hifi show myself Mario.  But I'm smart enough not to judge a system based on a hifi show ;)
nothing wrong with the room it was the best room of the show i guess measuring didn't help either in this case i have heard sgr twice so for me its not up to speed
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« Reply #32 on: December 29, 2011, 05:59:56 PM »
http://sgraudio.com.au/products/power_amplifiers/el30sv.html   this is accurate i am saving my $$$$$ hope to demo next month

Are you really demo'ing it?  If so, why?  You already have said you thought they sounded horrible at the show, and you are one to draw a conclusion from a listen at an audio show...... so why?  Could it be so you can start rubbishing the brand more and confirm you strong bias of .. has to be valves, has to have dueland capacitors, has to be point to point ....etc... rubbish ?
1.must have valves for me imho
2.great circuit and duelunds are a must for 100% performence like a formula 1 car (they dont run on standard unleaded very well)
3.poin to point is great you get to choose the wiring
4.I would't waste my power on sgr amp against my valve amp its like hyundai against formula 1
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« Reply #33 on: December 29, 2011, 06:02:12 PM »
I thought they sounded poor at the hifi show myself Mario.  But I'm smart enough not to judge a system based on a hifi show ;)
nothing wrong with the room it was the best room of the show i guess measuring didn't help either in this case i have heard sgr twice so for me its not up to speed

There were no measurements taken in that room kajak.  They were plonked down without any measurements or trial and error.  They are two big and two heavy to be moving around the room to find the best location.

It is ok that you didn't like the speakers kajak, I'm fine with that.  Everyone has their own likes and dislikes.  It just seems like you always have a 'your way' is better than everyone elses way about you.  You come across as a bit of .... sometimes.

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« Reply #34 on: December 29, 2011, 06:03:55 PM »
4.I would't waste my power on sgr amp against my valve amp its like hyundai against formula 1

Typical kajak response.  Bravo.

So you were just bullsh!tting about demo'ing the SGR amp?  Thank god.  Because you would have only been doing it for one reason and that is an attempt to validate your ingrained bias ;) 

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« Reply #35 on: December 29, 2011, 06:07:43 PM »
4.I would't waste my power on sgr amp against my valve amp its like hyundai against formula 1

Typical kajak response.  Bravo.

So you were just bullsh!tting about demo'ing the SGR amp?  Thank god.  Because you would have only been doing it for one reason and that is an attempt to validate your ingrained bias ;) 
Yes bullsh!tting all the way heard enough ss to know limitations
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« Reply #36 on: December 29, 2011, 06:11:02 PM »
But I'm smart enough not to judge a system based on a hifi show ;)
If you cant setup a system at a hifi show dont show it to the public,other managed way better in smaller rooms no excuses
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« Reply #37 on: December 29, 2011, 06:13:09 PM »
If you cant setup a system at a hifi show dont show it to the public,other managed way better in smaller rooms no excuses

I thought they all sounded poor mate.  None of the rooms were up to a standard I would be satisfied with.  Some were obviously better than others.  I would not have bought a single thing from the show based on what I heard.  Personally I don't think you would have said it sounded good even if it did (I didn't think they sounded great at the show). 

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« Reply #38 on: December 29, 2011, 06:15:26 PM »
I thought they sounded poor at the hifi show myself Mario.  But I'm smart enough not to judge a system based on a hifi show ;)
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It is ok that you didn't like the speakers kajak, I'm fine with that.  Everyone has their own likes and dislikes.  It just seems like you always have a 'your way' is better than everyone elses way about you.  You come across as a bit of .... sometimes.
Dritz other have used a different approach like bryan and love tube credit given where credit due
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« Reply #39 on: December 29, 2011, 06:20:49 PM »
If you cant setup a system at a hifi show dont show it to the public,other managed way better in smaller rooms no excuses

I thought they all sounded poor mate.  None of the rooms were up to a standard I would be satisfied with.  Some were obviously better than others.  I would not have bought a single thing from the show based on what I heard.  Personally I don't think you would have said it sounded good even if it did (I didn't think they sounded great at the show). 
If i ever hear sgr sound like music you will be the first to know
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