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Re: Lampizator DAC
« Reply #80 on: March 29, 2012, 08:47:06 PM »
Some new reviews/feeback:

http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=104373.msg1062736;topicseen#new

and

Polish review translated (Kayak can read the original for himself):
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=pl&u=http://www.highfidelity.pl/%40main-1217%26lang%3D&ei=nONXT6blDaGg4gStwqmxDw&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCQQ7gEwAA&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dhttp://highfidelity.pl/%2540main-1217%2526lang%253D%26hl%3Den%26biw%3D1268%26bih%3D633%26prmd%3Dimvns

in Polish: http://www.highfidelity.pl
Hey winson i found this mentioned in the review Our idea of ​​marketing was to rely on sound competitions for the best product in this category, organized in many countries are members of the audiophile forums.  We started to compete in competitions and won all, in which we participated.  The first was in Boston, then in New York, California, Malaysia, Taiwan, Australia, South Africa, Holland and Italy.  Then things happened easily, although the competition tramples on our heels.
Time to take on the killer dac hey ask lucas to put his dac where his mouth is............

You tell him yourself, you speak Polish, no? LoL

I have sent him a pm once on the lampizator forum got no answer typical from a polish bloke that lives in warsaw they think their sh!t dont stink
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Re: Lampizator DAC
« Reply #81 on: March 29, 2012, 08:50:03 PM »
Some new reviews/feeback:

http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=104373.msg1062736;topicseen#new

and

Polish review translated (Kayak can read the original for himself):
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=pl&u=http://www.highfidelity.pl/%40main-1217%26lang%3D&ei=nONXT6blDaGg4gStwqmxDw&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCQQ7gEwAA&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dhttp://highfidelity.pl/%2540main-1217%2526lang%253D%26hl%3Den%26biw%3D1268%26bih%3D633%26prmd%3Dimvns

in Polish: http://www.highfidelity.pl
Hey winson i found this mentioned in the review Our idea of ​​marketing was to rely on sound competitions for the best product in this category, organized in many countries are members of the audiophile forums.  We started to compete in competitions and won all, in which we participated.  The first was in Boston, then in New York, California, Malaysia, Taiwan, Australia, South Africa, Holland and Italy.  Then things happened easily, although the competition tramples on our heels.
Time to take on the killer dac hey ask lucas to put his dac where his mouth is............

Dude, hurry up and line up a loaner from Yoshio and have a comparo party and post the results to us eagerly awaiting aficionados!
The chances of yoshio sending one are very low i have asked before still no lampi in western australia............

still discovering the link between electronics and audio reproduction.so much to learn and so little time

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Re: Lampizator DAC
« Reply #82 on: March 29, 2012, 08:51:18 PM »
http://lampizator.eu/newdac/L5/L5_dacstory.html

eye candy he mentions jensens the best caps hmmmmm is he joking
Jensens are good caps and just maybe in his implementation they synergize best with the choice of valves and other circuit componetry to his ears and matching components.  :-X  In the kdac the superiority of the Duelands has been established by many irrespective of amps/speakers.  We are not really comparing apples to apples with the two DAC's now are we.  Duelands are also considerably more expensive than a lot of the Jensen range and he is building to a price performance point that satisfies his market.  ;)  To just adopt a 'most expensive component available - use everywhere' approach would push even the Level 5 product beyond the reach of most and in the circuit deployed may not yield the wanted / expected results.

The wider you open the window, the more muck comes in, by choosing the selected Jensen caps maybe the window is only partially open!  :o
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Vitavox all that silver wire and jensens paper in oil current stock hmmmmm makes me wonder i know the caps well
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Re: Lampizator DAC
« Reply #83 on: March 29, 2012, 08:53:15 PM »
That would be my guess too Vita.

Also, as I told someone in this thread before. The KD is a club, not a commercial venture.

Paraphrasing the MATRIX...One does not buy a KD, one has to hang out at the forum for like a year currying favour and maybe, just maybe, one gets chosen to be the next recipient of the KD recipe, handed down for generations untold and whose secret is guarded more tightly than the gold (no longer) in Fort Know. LoL

Once chosen, the initiate is then expected to take out a second mortgage to "invest" in the KD adventure (of a lifetime). ROTFLMAO.

Its not that bad, but it sure can seem that way to non-club members.
Wrong not all kd owners are on the forum
level5 costs more then a kdac
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Re: Lampizator DAC
« Reply #84 on: March 29, 2012, 10:46:57 PM »
Also, as I told someone in this thread before. The KD is a club, not a commercial venture.

Paraphrasing the MATRIX...One does not buy a KD, one has to hang out at the forum for like a year currying favour and maybe, just maybe, one gets chosen to be the next recipient of the KD recipe, handed down for generations untold and whose secret is guarded more tightly than the gold (no longer) in Fort Know. LoL

Once chosen, the initiate is then expected to take out a second mortgage to "invest" in the KD adventure (of a lifetime). ROTFLMAO.

Its not that bad, but it sure can seem that way to non-club members.


Huh?? That's not really my case. Steve was a total stranger to me when I met him and I bought his dac after my first visit back in early 2009, purely based on my listening experience on his system. The long wait of KillerDAC is mostly due to long tuning time and getting the right parts. And this is actually a good thing, Steve wouldn't let people listen to his dac and take it home if it's not up to his standard. Why would you want to get it quick if it doesn't even sound divine?  ;)

It was a tongue in cheek response meant mostly to amuse... ;D
I thought at least ONE person would find it funny.
« Last Edit: March 29, 2012, 10:54:50 PM by wisnon »

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Re: Lampizator DAC
« Reply #85 on: March 29, 2012, 10:49:26 PM »
That would be my guess too Vita.

Also, as I told someone in this thread before. The KD is a club, not a commercial venture.

Paraphrasing the MATRIX...One does not buy a KD, one has to hang out at the forum for like a year currying favour and maybe, just maybe, one gets chosen to be the next recipient of the KD recipe, handed down for generations untold and whose secret is guarded more tightly than the gold (no longer) in Fort Know. LoL

Once chosen, the initiate is then expected to take out a second mortgage to "invest" in the KD adventure (of a lifetime). ROTFLMAO.

Its not that bad, but it sure can seem that way to non-club members.
Wrong not all kd owners are on the forum
level5 costs more then a kdac


What does a KD cost?
Do you the owner do any of the assembly work? If so, do you factor in commercial labour costs?

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Re: Lampizator DAC
« Reply #86 on: March 29, 2012, 10:50:41 PM »
Some new reviews/feeback:

http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=104373.msg1062736;topicseen#new

and

Polish review translated (Kayak can read the original for himself):
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=pl&u=http://www.highfidelity.pl/%40main-1217%26lang%3D&ei=nONXT6blDaGg4gStwqmxDw&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCQQ7gEwAA&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dhttp://highfidelity.pl/%2540main-1217%2526lang%253D%26hl%3Den%26biw%3D1268%26bih%3D633%26prmd%3Dimvns

in Polish: http://www.highfidelity.pl
Hey winson i found this mentioned in the review Our idea of ​​marketing was to rely on sound competitions for the best product in this category, organized in many countries are members of the audiophile forums.  We started to compete in competitions and won all, in which we participated.  The first was in Boston, then in New York, California, Malaysia, Taiwan, Australia, South Africa, Holland and Italy.  Then things happened easily, although the competition tramples on our heels.
Time to take on the killer dac hey ask lucas to put his dac where his mouth is............

Dude, hurry up and line up a loaner from Yoshio and have a comparo party and post the results to us eagerly awaiting aficionados!
The chances of yoshio sending one are very low i have asked before still no lampi in western australia............


Thats a pity, because on the other page
 he said he would send you one/...

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Re: Lampizator DAC
« Reply #87 on: March 29, 2012, 10:53:32 PM »
Some new reviews/feeback:

http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=104373.msg1062736;topicseen#new

and

Polish review translated (Kayak can read the original for himself):
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=pl&u=http://www.highfidelity.pl/%40main-1217%26lang%3D&ei=nONXT6blDaGg4gStwqmxDw&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCQQ7gEwAA&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dhttp://highfidelity.pl/%2540main-1217%2526lang%253D%26hl%3Den%26biw%3D1268%26bih%3D633%26prmd%3Dimvns

in Polish: http://www.highfidelity.pl
Hey winson i found this mentioned in the review Our idea of ​​marketing was to rely on sound competitions for the best product in this category, organized in many countries are members of the audiophile forums.  We started to compete in competitions and won all, in which we participated.  The first was in Boston, then in New York, California, Malaysia, Taiwan, Australia, South Africa, Holland and Italy.  Then things happened easily, although the competition tramples on our heels.
Time to take on the killer dac hey ask lucas to put his dac where his mouth is............

You tell him yourself, you speak Polish, no? LoL

I have sent him a pm once on the lampizator forum got no answer typical from a polish bloke that lives in warsaw they think their sh!t dont stink

Not at all, I have spoken to him many many times and he is not like that at all.. Very affable and forthcoming...though very busy. It is often hard to get a hold of him as he works loooong days.

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Re: Lampizator DAC
« Reply #88 on: March 29, 2012, 11:14:05 PM »
http://lampizator.eu/newdac/L5/L5_dacstory.html

eye candy he mentions jensens the best caps hmmmmm is he joking

Well, he cant be totally ignorant of caps, based on his DIY article from 3-4 years ago:
http://lampizator.eu/UPGRADE/CAPACITORS/capacitors.html

A pair of top quality Duelands are what, $500? Do you know that can translate into up to $2K in retail costs in devices, given the up to 400% markup to retail? The manufacturer has to give up at least 40% of the retail price to the supply chain (distrib + dealers), so would only get $3K for a product that retails for $5K and if there is a discount, he would eat 60% of that loss normally. Thus a $5K component means a revenue of $3K to the manufacturer and thus to make a reasonable profit, what must the parts costs be, given that labour costs are still to be factored in? If the output caps alone are $500 (or say $400 with a small volume discount, not readily available to small boutique manufacturers), that leaves $2,600 to pay for the chassis, the bulk of other parts, labour, commercial rent, interest payments if loans are outstanding, working capital setup and increases, marketing expenses..if any, returns, spoilage, "shrinkage", insurance, export/import duties, VAT, income tax, etc...all before one can calculate ANY profit.

Nah, it seems to me that putting in expensive parts for the hell of it to POSSIBLY get 1% improvement means that you are into dCS or AudioNote price ranges and you MAY not get a universally appreciated improvement. These parts also MAY not synergise well with that particular circuit design (probably a Delta Sigma type chip)and the parts no object model requires a different business model that is much more advertising $$s top heavy.

The fact that the Lampi offering is being favourably compared to much more expensive rigs seems to justify the current business model and even KD owners should be celebrating that this level of performance is available to the non-DIY population for a much more realisitic price than other famous names, where you really do need a mortgage to play in that space.

I have never heard a KD and may never hear one, but I have no doubt it sounds sublime. The passionate testimony by so many cant be wrong. So I have nothing but admiration for the KD project that clearly pushes the limit of digital sound to the edge of brilliance. I also have to salute offerings like the Lampi and the PDX, which offer commercially compelling products.
« Last Edit: March 29, 2012, 11:28:07 PM by wisnon »

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Re: Lampizator DAC
« Reply #89 on: March 30, 2012, 10:17:55 AM »
Some new reviews/feeback:

http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=104373.msg1062736;topicseen#new

and

Polish review translated (Kayak can read the original for himself):
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=pl&u=http://www.highfidelity.pl/%40main-1217%26lang%3D&ei=nONXT6blDaGg4gStwqmxDw&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCQQ7gEwAA&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dhttp://highfidelity.pl/%2540main-1217%2526lang%253D%26hl%3Den%26biw%3D1268%26bih%3D633%26prmd%3Dimvns

in Polish: http://www.highfidelity.pl
Hey winson i found this mentioned in the review Our idea of ​​marketing was to rely on sound competitions for the best product in this category, organized in many countries are members of the audiophile forums.  We started to compete in competitions and won all, in which we participated.  The first was in Boston, then in New York, California, Malaysia, Taiwan, Australia, South Africa, Holland and Italy.  Then things happened easily, although the competition tramples on our heels.
Time to take on the killer dac hey ask lucas to put his dac where his mouth is............

Dude, hurry up and line up a loaner from Yoshio and have a comparo party and post the results to us eagerly awaiting aficionados!
The chances of yoshio sending one are very low i have asked before still no lampi in western australia............


Thats a pity, because on the other page
 he said he would send you one/...

Guys,

Yes, I have spoken to Kajak in regards with sending a unit down for testing and I have also spoken to the distributor of Lampizator in this regards. But please understand, since I am not the distributor so I have to follow on what the distributor suggest.

The distributor told me, he don't mind sending one down but he preferred to actually fly Kajak down to Melbourne (pay for his airfair) and we hope Kajak can bring his Killerdac down at the same time. In this way, the distributor including me will have a chance to listen to what the Killderdac can do too. Afterall we are still hifi nut and not just for business.

And the reason that I hasn't get back to you Kajak, the distributor is waiting his order of the L4 DAC to arrive.

Please let me know is this arrangement good enough?

Cheers,
Jayden
 

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Re: Lampizator DAC
« Reply #90 on: March 30, 2012, 10:33:50 AM »
Kajak you are a superstar - jetting around the country testing DACs  :D :D

Ask them to throw in dinner at vuedemonde    http://www.vuedemonde.com.au/imagegallery/the_lui_bar/   

Was there last week and did the degustation 10 course meal - recommended  :P





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Re: Lampizator DAC
« Reply #91 on: March 30, 2012, 06:40:31 PM »

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Re: Lampizator DAC
« Reply #92 on: March 30, 2012, 06:42:20 PM »
Some new reviews/feeback:

http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=104373.msg1062736;topicseen#new

and

Polish review translated (Kayak can read the original for himself):
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=pl&u=http://www.highfidelity.pl/%40main-1217%26lang%3D&ei=nONXT6blDaGg4gStwqmxDw&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCQQ7gEwAA&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dhttp://highfidelity.pl/%2540main-1217%2526lang%253D%26hl%3Den%26biw%3D1268%26bih%3D633%26prmd%3Dimvns

in Polish: http://www.highfidelity.pl
Hey winson i found this mentioned in the review Our idea of ​​marketing was to rely on sound competitions for the best product in this category, organized in many countries are members of the audiophile forums.  We started to compete in competitions and won all, in which we participated.  The first was in Boston, then in New York, California, Malaysia, Taiwan, Australia, South Africa, Holland and Italy.  Then things happened easily, although the competition tramples on our heels.
Time to take on the killer dac hey ask lucas to put his dac where his mouth is............

Dude, hurry up and line up a loaner from Yoshio and have a comparo party and post the results to us eagerly awaiting aficionados!
The chances of yoshio sending one are very low i have asked before still no lampi in western australia............


Thats a pity, because on the other page
 he said he would send you one/...

Guys,

Yes, I have spoken to Kajak in regards with sending a unit down for testing and I have also spoken to the distributor of Lampizator in this regards. But please understand, since I am not the distributor so I have to follow on what the distributor suggest.

The distributor told me, he don't mind sending one down but he preferred to actually fly Kajak down to Melbourne (pay for his airfair) and we hope Kajak can bring his Killerdac down at the same time. In this way, the distributor including me will have a chance to listen to what the Killderdac can do too. Afterall we are still hifi nut and not just for business.

And the reason that I hasn't get back to you Kajak, the distributor is waiting his order of the L4 DAC to arrive.

Please let me know is this arrangement good enough?

Cheers,
Jayden
 

Wow, guys, i am impressed! I hope this comes off. Kudos to all of you!

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Re: Lampizator DAC
« Reply #93 on: March 30, 2012, 09:37:16 PM »
Some new reviews/feeback:

http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=104373.msg1062736;topicseen#new

and

Polish review translated (Kayak can read the original for himself):
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=pl&u=http://www.highfidelity.pl/%40main-1217%26lang%3D&ei=nONXT6blDaGg4gStwqmxDw&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCQQ7gEwAA&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dhttp://highfidelity.pl/%2540main-1217%2526lang%253D%26hl%3Den%26biw%3D1268%26bih%3D633%26prmd%3Dimvns

in Polish: http://www.highfidelity.pl
Hey winson i found this mentioned in the review Our idea of ​​marketing was to rely on sound competitions for the best product in this category, organized in many countries are members of the audiophile forums.  We started to compete in competitions and won all, in which we participated.  The first was in Boston, then in New York, California, Malaysia, Taiwan, Australia, South Africa, Holland and Italy.  Then things happened easily, although the competition tramples on our heels.
Time to take on the killer dac hey ask lucas to put his dac where his mouth is............

Dude, hurry up and line up a loaner from Yoshio and have a comparo party and post the results to us eagerly awaiting aficionados!
The chances of yoshio sending one are very low i have asked before still no lampi in western australia............


Thats a pity, because on the other page
 he said he would send you one/...

Guys,

Yes, I have spoken to Kajak in regards with sending a unit down for testing and I have also spoken to the distributor of Lampizator in this regards. But please understand, since I am not the distributor so I have to follow on what the distributor suggest.

The distributor told me, he don't mind sending one down but he preferred to actually fly Kajak down to Melbourne (pay for his airfair) and we hope Kajak can bring his Killerdac down at the same time. In this way, the distributor including me will have a chance to listen to what the Killderdac can do too. Afterall we are still hifi nut and not just for business.

And the reason that I hasn't get back to you Kajak, the distributor is waiting his order of the L4 DAC to arrive.

Please let me know is this arrangement good enough?

Cheers,
Jayden
 
And the system will be ? For the shootout
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Re: Lampizator DAC
« Reply #94 on: March 31, 2012, 01:55:23 AM »
Just say yes and work out the details later. Puhleeze. :D

I would love to hear what all of you think. It will be a great write up.

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« Reply #95 on: March 31, 2012, 12:22:26 PM »

And the system will be ? For the shootout

I wouldn't use the word shootout to begin with, its more of hearing what both DAC can do and appreciating both designer's efforts :)

The gear should be roughly based on below list.

Speaker: Voxativ fullrange driver in kind of C-horn
Pre: Diva Audio M7 http://singaporehifi.blogspot.com.au/2009/09/diva-audio-m7-preamp-latest-update.html
Pwr: Custom made SET smp
Source: Lampified CD transport.
DAC: Lampizator Level 4 and KillerDAC

Cheers,
Jayden

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Re: Lampizator DAC
« Reply #96 on: March 31, 2012, 04:30:21 PM »
Maybe you guys take the Lamp to WA,  and introduce a number of the locals to the Lamp.

Mario or 1 of the other westerners on here would be more than happy to host a large GTG, if nothing else, it may be a great PR opportunity.   You'll get more exposure that way,  than paying for an airfare to Melb.

Whether you choose to do a comparo as part of the GTG,  or outside of it,  would depend on your courage.   ;)
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Re: Lampizator DAC
« Reply #97 on: March 31, 2012, 06:50:07 PM »

And the system will be ? For the shootout

I wouldn't use the word shootout to begin with, its more of hearing what both DAC can do and appreciating both designer's efforts :)

The gear should be roughly based on below list.

Speaker: Voxativ fullrange driver in kind of C-horn
Pre: Diva Audio M7 http://singaporehifi.blogspot.com.au/2009/09/diva-audio-m7-preamp-latest-update.html
Pwr: Custom made SET smp
Source: Lampified CD transport.
DAC: Lampizator Level 4 and KillerDAC

Cheers,
Jayden
what is the transport?
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Re: Lampizator DAC
« Reply #98 on: March 31, 2012, 07:53:35 PM »
Maybe you guys take the Lamp to WA,  and introduce a number of the locals to the Lamp.

Mario or 1 of the other westerners on here would be more than happy to host a large GTG, if nothing else, it may be a great PR opportunity.   You'll get more exposure that way,  than paying for an airfare to Melb.

Whether you choose to do a comparo as part of the GTG,  or outside of it,  would depend on your courage.   ;)

Hey, they are offering free air fare, do you guys match that offer? LoL

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Re: Lampizator DAC
« Reply #99 on: March 31, 2012, 08:35:31 PM »
Maybe you guys take the Lamp to WA,  and introduce a number of the locals to the Lamp.

Mario or 1 of the other westerners on here would be more than happy to host a large GTG, if nothing else, it may be a great PR opportunity.   You'll get more exposure that way,  than paying for an airfare to Melb.

Whether you choose to do a comparo as part of the GTG,  or outside of it,  would depend on your courage.   ;)

Hey, they are offering free air fare, do you guys match that offer? LoL
wow wow free air fare how can this be done??????????????????????
easy simple answer the lampizator is struggling to make it in australia we are all aware of it and so are the people selling it that is why they are offering free air fare to take on a killer dac
Yosio bryan in melbourne has a kileer dac and some horns also take your lampi and run against his kdac, but be warned the kdac is only available in level 1 we haven't progressed to level 5 yet
My dac is not moveble as most parts are outside the box and it feeds on a marantz cd94 (zenclock) not some poxy computer audio modded sb
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