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Offline stevenvalve

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Re: Capacitor Games
« Reply #20 on: February 20, 2014, 03:19:28 AM »
OK William so here's my point:  :) How many people are using Cat 5 for their interconnects?  ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[
OK so its as cheap as chips and made of recycled buss bars in China, does this give it the credibility to be used when deciding which of a several hundred dollar cap is the best, hmmmmmm, give me a nono second to think about that one.
V, Its the early Pirelli Australian cat 5. Its also been blessed by a Tibetan monk, and sprinkled with holly water. Does that help in making a decision.

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Re: Capacitor Games
« Reply #21 on: February 20, 2014, 10:50:18 AM »
OK William so here's my point:  :) How many people are using Cat 5 for their interconnects?  ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[
OK so its as cheap as chips and made of recycled buss bars in China, does this give it the credibility to be used when deciding which of a several hundred dollar cap is the best, hmmmmmm, give me a nono second to think about that one.

You bring up an important point here and that is, especially in this day of predominantly Chinese manuafacture, how do we know the quality of the copper used in cables.

I've been going through standards of copper purity used in various cables and it's hard to know who is supplying what. If it's from China do the standards stickers even mean anything?

ATM I'm veering towards getting a supply of UPOCC solid core, mainly for the purpose that you know what level of purity you are getting.

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Re: Capacitor Games
« Reply #22 on: February 20, 2014, 12:50:26 PM »
I'm not sure that this is correct, but is it even possible to buy crap quality copper. Refining techniques today leave little
possibility of less than 99.99% purity with most copper refined to 4N 99.9999% and some even to 6N 99.999999%
Copper smelters are not setup to produce sh!t purity products to save money as no one would buy it.

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Re: Capacitor Games
« Reply #23 on: February 20, 2014, 05:41:54 PM »
I'm not sure that this is correct, but is it even possible to buy crap quality copper. Refining techniques today leave little
possibility of less than 99.99% purity with most copper refined to 4N 99.9999% and some even to 6N 99.999999%
Copper smelters are not setup to produce sh!t purity products to save money as no one would buy it.

Yep. but we know that if the Chinese can save 1 cent they will, More profit honourable master. While its not pick on China day they have been caught out supplying brass for copper etc. I don't blame steven having a low trust factor. I still cant get over one amp manufacturer that used 300b valves as lights there weren't used in the amplification. And its not hearsay I know the tech that worked on the amp, he was well and truly shocked by what he saw!!! If would have been more than shocked I would be swearing blue bloody murder if I was the owner of that amp!!

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Re: Capacitor Games
« Reply #24 on: February 20, 2014, 06:05:06 PM »
Well I have to say I am quite taken back by musings such as well its just copper mate  :o
If people truly believe that all copper is the same then form a cue at Bunning's LOL.

I see no one took me up on the CAT5 interconnects, I wonder why.  If I were checking out capacitors (getting back on subject) and hooked them up with ~200mm of run of the mill copper I would have to kick myself in the backside and would expect some censure from other more enlightened one's, but there were a lot of ships spoilt for a happenth of tar!

Japense copper is amongst the best of the large crystal type, you will notice a considerable ease and lack of harshness / glare compared to the run of the mill stuff. The continuous casting process gets you there. So annealed copper anyone? Drawn copper wire, plated copper wire, flat copper ribbon; each and every example will produce different results so I have to disagree with its just copper wire mate and no one makes low quality.  Having been to China I will attest to if they can save half a cent they will.
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Re: Capacitor Games
« Reply #25 on: February 20, 2014, 07:56:01 PM »
I've heard interconnects made with cat5 wire and eichman plugs,  they didnt sound out of place.
It's all about the music,, not the equipment.

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Re: Capacitor Games
« Reply #26 on: February 20, 2014, 07:59:12 PM »
didn't Masters have a safety recall on the cheap chinese produced mains cable they were selling a while back? iirc it was the insulation failing rather than issues with the copper - but also applicable here when dealing with hundreds of volts.






 

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Re: Capacitor Games
« Reply #27 on: February 20, 2014, 08:42:32 PM »
How its time for the Hovland music caps. These are the old stock before Hovland folded, and well run in. I used to use Hovland caps years ago, I put a set in Mario present amps a long time ago. Do they still cut it after all these years, we shall see.

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Re: Capacitor Games
« Reply #28 on: February 20, 2014, 08:45:06 PM »
didn't Masters have a safety recall on the cheap chinese produced mains cable they were selling a while back? iirc it was the insulation failing rather than issues with the copper - but also applicable here when dealing with hundreds of volts.






 
Best to strip the rubbish off and use Teflon.

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Re: Capacitor Games
« Reply #29 on: February 21, 2014, 01:23:10 PM »
Guess what guys,   I just got a spam email from pcx,   advising me they have just acquired a big bunch of NOS Blackgates at reasonable prices.  

Whose gunna jump first??    :P  8)  :-*

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Re: Capacitor Games
« Reply #30 on: February 21, 2014, 01:27:51 PM »
Yes also got the same email.
Looks like they are going in at half the rate of the market price according to who exactly. ::)  Black gate caps take far to long to sound reasonable and the newer silk Silmic Elnas may well be better!
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Re: Capacitor Games
« Reply #31 on: February 21, 2014, 01:29:14 PM »
Sensai effing hates 'em.       ;D   :-X
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Re: Capacitor Games
« Reply #32 on: February 21, 2014, 01:58:07 PM »
Guess what guys,   I just got a spam email from pcx,   advising me they have just acquired a big bunch of NOS Blackgates at reasonable prices.  

Whose gunna jump first??    :P  8)  :-*


unmusical sh!t, No wonder they stopped making them, Lets face it, In todays age if they sounded great and where selling, why would any company cease production. why because they are rubbish.

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Re: Capacitor Games
« Reply #33 on: February 21, 2014, 02:02:30 PM »
Careful there...Shinkoh's gone as well...  :(
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Re: Capacitor Games
« Reply #34 on: February 21, 2014, 02:40:17 PM »
I better buy some more Shinkohs,   they'll be a good investment.   :-\
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Re: Capacitor Games
« Reply #35 on: February 21, 2014, 02:42:10 PM »
The 2 Watt Shinkoh's are great resistors, but they finished long ago, It shows most audio people will use anything as a resistor. So does that mean most audiophiles are deaf.
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Re: Capacitor Games
« Reply #36 on: February 21, 2014, 03:01:28 PM »
Audiophiles don't buy resistors,   they buy expensive "brand" components.

We are a different breed,  IMO.    We're lost souls chasing rainbows.  :-\  hahaha   :P 
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Re: Capacitor Games
« Reply #37 on: February 21, 2014, 03:35:42 PM »
The 2 Watt Shinkoh's are great resistors, but they finished long ago,
Are there some really common values ?     
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Re: Capacitor Games
« Reply #38 on: February 21, 2014, 03:50:53 PM »
1K TO 100k and sometimes needed up to 300k. 10K is useful

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Re: Capacitor Games
« Reply #39 on: February 21, 2014, 04:50:35 PM »
didn't Masters have a safety recall on the cheap chinese produced mains cable they were selling a while back? iirc it was the insulation failing rather than issues with the copper - but also applicable here when dealing with hundreds of volts.

 
Best to strip the rubbish off and use Teflon.

Wire porn     :D
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