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Offline ozmillsy

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Re: Copper versus silver what to use
« Reply #80 on: June 07, 2014, 07:27:04 AM »
No I have not. 
As long as the construction of the I/c gives decent immunity to noise interference then the smallish change in length from, say 1/2 to 11/2 m seems to be of little relevance.
It ten comes down to intelligent routing to keep them away from noise sources as much as is possible.
Cool, that's a relief.   :)
It's all about the music,, not the equipment.

Offline hedalfa

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Re: Copper versus silver what to use
« Reply #81 on: June 07, 2014, 07:45:52 AM »
Heat shrink :)

WRT shielding, many hi end cables I have seen are actually unshielded.
In fact most hi enders seem to have a fear of shielding.

One solution is run a shield and 2 conductors, earth the shield at 1 end only so it carries
no signal return current, use the conductors for hot / cold.

WRT shielding that carbon loaded nylon sheath looks pretty good.

Z

What is sometimes overlooked is the plugs themselves. I know one guy in Canberra, who has really high efficiency speakers, he had his amp back to Pat Turner a few times to reduce noise. The problem was eventually traced to the in his ICs he was using, looked like it was making a good contact when it wasn't. Different plug, magic no noise 8) 8) 8). He was real happy!! Van den hull usually fit good plugs, but don't fit well on all rca sockets :'(, they need taller ones to make full connect. Okay on wbt however.



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Offline zenelectro

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Re: Copper versus silver what to use
« Reply #82 on: June 07, 2014, 01:10:58 PM »
Z,

My experiences with building cables suggest that unshielded is sonically superior as long as you do not ntroduction a noise induction issue as a consequence.
Shielded cables I have found to sound slower on transient attack, and have reduced decay characteristics.
Unshielded sound less dynamically constrained I have found.

C

Mr Rawl,

My question is though:

a) are you hearing the effects of a shield that is in the return current path of unbal IC (IMO a nono)
b) are you hearing the effects of the shield to active capacitance
c) maybe you even like some of the additional rubbish that is picked up from unshielded
d) all or part combinations of above

I always try to isolate these different effects so you know what is causing what. It takes time, can be
frustrating but ultimately helps with moving forward.

My gut feeling is a one ended terminated/grounded shield made from that large dia conductive Nylon sheath
would be superior to none, provided the capacitance is low enough and the correct dielectric is used, probably
cotton.

I'm going to make a decent mic cable using this method. The good thing with mic cables is they are fully balanced
+/- so theoretically no current return path in shield. Prolly have to use a drain wire in shield though for phantom power current.

ZZZZ

Offline MrRogers

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Re: Copper versus silver what to use
« Reply #83 on: June 07, 2014, 02:13:42 PM »


I'm all ears if anyone can suggest reasonably priced balanced cables that sound great.  They will probably have to be shielded, as some mics (Ribbon) only
OP mV.

T

Try Van Damme cable:   http://www.van-damme.com/studio.html
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Re: Copper versus silver what to use
« Reply #84 on: June 07, 2014, 02:48:12 PM »
Try Van Damme cable:   http://www.van-damme.com/studio.html

What is different / better about this cable?

Z


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Re: Copper versus silver what to use
« Reply #85 on: June 07, 2014, 02:53:42 PM »
The price (low) and the sound (superb).

Isn't that what you are looking for?
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Re: Copper versus silver what to use
« Reply #86 on: June 07, 2014, 03:12:45 PM »
The price (low) and the sound (superb).

Isn't that what you are looking for?

If you do a search on various pro forums you'll get recommendations for cables that 'sound superb'
which have wide and varied construction. From silver plated to cheap and cheerful Carol 8014, Canare.
Gothum, Klotz, Mogame etc etc.

So again - in view of all the discussion here - why does this cable sound better?  The construction looks
pretty much the same as dozens of other pro twisted pair.

What have you compared it to, using what equipment etc etc.

Thanks,

Z
 

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Re: Copper versus silver what to use
« Reply #87 on: June 07, 2014, 03:13:36 PM »
The price (low) and the sound (superb).

Isn't that what you are looking for?
It sure is, the problem is usually system synergy, but it could be a good weapon for the armoury.

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Re: Copper versus silver what to use
« Reply #88 on: June 08, 2014, 09:31:07 AM »
The price (low) and the sound (superb).

Isn't that what you are looking for?
Shame this wasn't the case re superb Valves...  :(